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Old 04-23-2012, 09:30 PM   #1
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This is a link to CAN AM RVs longterm test of a 2006 VW diesel Jetta. They use it to tow what we would consider large trailers from the factory to their RV dealership. Great reliability and mileage.

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Old 04-23-2012, 11:57 PM   #2
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we have been considering one for a long time. I hear the newer 2009 and up to the current ones get about 1000km -1100km to a tank with mostly city driving? two people we know say thats the mileage they are getting? not sure how true. but they seem like the way to go to me. wish more cars had diesel in them like Europe.
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Just remember that Dodge also advertises a thousand miles to a tank with a pickup truck. The secret is that it has a huge tank - about a hundred gallons or so!!
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the Jetta has a 55L or 14.5Gal tank. our 09 Corolla has about the same. 50L if i recall. ours gets about 5-600km to a tank. much better fuel milage on the jetta I'm afraid.
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Thanks for the link Norm these little cars have peaked my interest. I use to have one of the old diesel rabbits back in the 70's. But I'm thinking these newer ones are a better engine.
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It is interesting to contrast the "Hitch Hints" articles with other discussions here about towing capacity.

The Hitch Hints guy runs a very large RV dealership in Toronto and has lots of experience towing personally and via his customers. He notes in the article referenced above setting up over 600 Ford Freestar and Windstar vehicles! There are many Hitch Hint articles available on their website. I read some of them and they frequently mention towing 2 or 3 times the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tow weight. Again, in the story above, he talks about towing a 28' trailer with an additional 800 pounds of parts inside (maybe 5500#) with a Diesel Jetta having a 1000# max trailer weight spec in the USA.

I read another article where he described towing a 34' Airstream with a Ford Taurus SHO (1000# tow limit).

The guy sure sounds like he knows what he is talking about but then there are plenty of "advice givers" here and on other internet fora who opine absolutely not to go over the mfr max tow weight spec, others say don't go over 80% of that, etc.

What gives?
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Denny,

Like you I've read most of his hints at CAN AM. He certainly takes opposite positions from many posters on towing requirements and tow vehicle possibilities.

I'm personally impressed with his articles and if I were a newbie to RVing I would start by reading his articles. If I were anywhere near their dealership I would go to them for tow vehicle advice and setup.

You always hear and read bad things about RV dealerships with respect to towing. These people certainly seem to make good recomendations and perform good first order tests.

It's clearly obvious that CAN AM uses what many would consider undersized tow vehicles to successfully tow trailers larger than most on this site own.

There's an amazing amount of tow info on that site. From the posting here I think it's an under read and under used source of information.
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"advice givers"
What gives?
There are! You seem to be one as well, and giving, advocating, inproper towing is just plain wrong! There are guide lines and laws in this country that say, your thinking is wrong...................
Just because there are those of us that don't agree with your way of thinking it makes us advice givers? Really, look in the mirror!



I for one hate this subject post and cringe everytime it's posted.

I never remember saying it couldn't happen. There might be "advice givers" who have. But believe me when I say I have done and seen things that shouldn't/couldn't happen. I know that a vehicle that has a tow rating of 1000 pounds can tow much more weight. But my question you all of you "Advice Giver's" is should it?

I refuse to let a subject that could hurt someone go without the other side of the opinion. There are so many other issues to consider other than can it do it! There are many a story of people hurt, killed because of improper towing. Just because you choose to ignore the guide lines and laws of the road in this country doesn't make it right!


And as brought up a bazillion times, What does your insurance co say? Don't tell me they say it's ok....... I know better!





And I have a real issue with someone who is supose to be a forum moderator always being one of those that advocates improper towing. Have you ever thought about the liability of your advocating such an issue. Or the liability to the forum? Shouldn't be coming out of the mouth of a moderator (though you are very good at sending Pm's to people when you disagree with this subject) So not posting it for everyone to see, I am sure will not stop you from saying it's ok to do it!

Number one, you have know idea who your advocating it to. You have know idea of a person's experience! Many a experienced driver (towing) has had issues! Just because you haven't had an issue yet doesn't make it right.......




Hell, I can drink and drive ( I choose not to) but just because I can does not make it right!

So in ending of my advice giving I am gonna post a warning to all who read this.


Can a vehicle that has a low tow capacity, tow much more weight! Probabaly, but should it? Probabaly not, and my recomendation is to read all you can about your vehicles capabilities and read and understand the guide lines and laws. Also understand the people giving you information contrary to such laws and guidelines perhaps don't know everything.

As you may not have towing experience, keep in mind "advice givers" who tell you to go against such law's and guidelines may not have much experience either. They don't consider such things as wheel base (control of what your towing) They don't consider what towing something over your tow capacity does to your vehicle! And they don't take into consideration what it could cost when you hurt/kill and distroy someones life!
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Denny,



I'm personally impressed with his articles and if I were a newbie to RVing I would start by reading his articles. If I were anywhere near their dealership I would go to them for tow vehicle advice and setup.

You always hear and read bad things about RV dealerships with respect to towing. These people certainly seem to make good recomendations and perform good first order tests.

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Oh my God, REALLY? The two towing improperly issues I know of happened because of recommendations from "dealers" In both, the dealer's told the buyers that their vehicles could tow over tow capacity and in both incidents people were killed. There certainly may be a dealer here and there that know's what they are talking about. But let's not forget that most dealerships employ salespeople. Many of whom have never towed a thing..............

So again, just because you found someone who agree's with your thinking does not make it right............................................. ..




And a FYI, The dealer here in CO was held liable for the child that was killed when they recommened that that the buyer's tow vehicle was big enough to tow the trailer they sold them..
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I've suggested that people read the CAN AM site to increase their information base. I would say that anyone who reads their site has to come away knowing they gained information. There's so much good information on that site no matter your beliefs on tow vhicles, to not read because some thoughts may be opposite to your's, mine or anyone's, is to be opposed to gaining knowledge.

One does not have to be an agreement with a position to learn from it. The magic of humanity and the Internet is to learn from others without having to personally and directly experience.

By the way, CAN AM has a good discussion on wheel base and every characteriestic of a two vehicle

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As to breaking manufacturer's tow capacity suggestions, those recomendations are not set in law and in some measure seem arbitrary.

I should have been more careful with the following quote. By "These people" I was refering to CAN AM and not all dealerships.

"You always hear and read bad things about RV dealerships with respect to towing. These people certainly seem to make good recomendations and perform good first order tests."


I hope you did not mean in the following quote that CAN AM agrees with my tow vehicle choice or I need their agreement. "So again, just because you found someone who agree's with your thinking does not make it right."

I obviously don't need people to agree with my thinking, I'm more independent than needing other's agreement. I post what we do and how we do it, partially because it's different from what many do on this site. I believe it's important for people to see that there are "other ways" to successfully RV.

There are 50 articles in their Hitch Hints section and all worth reading. For many it's hard to find information and this site is about information. No one has to agree with any of CAN AM's articles. It's simply a source of info, read and make more informed choices. The following is a link to all their hitch and towing articles.

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Good, thoughtful reading to all. Life is a series of choices, make the best choices you can.
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As to breaking manufacturer's tow capacity suggestions, those recomendations are not set in law and in some measure seem arbitrary.
I have mentioned this before although B-P will for sure disagree but on Vancouver Island every summer they put up safety check points on the main highway - they are most likely to pull over to check the weights of pick up trucks with campers on the back and pulling a boat trailer, as many of them are way over the manufactures load specs. They will in fact check to see if your over the manufactures load capacity. Its a fact - been there done that! There is actually a bit of a standing joke on the Island - if you ask a fisherman loading up his camper and boat for a trip why they havent purchased the beer for the trip yet you are likely to be told that its the item that will mostly likely put them over their load capacity and result in them having to dump their boat off at a road side check & having to go back for it later after taking the camper off the truck, better to buy the beer at the destination! I find it hard to believe that is the only place in NA that happens.

The other import point that some considering towing over their tow vehicle caps IMHO needs to give serious consideration to is should you have an accident and someone is hurt and the accident investigator attributes all or part of the cause to towing over you vehicles specs you could find yourself in a personal liability legal battle. When it comes to those types of cases, judges have a lot more freedom in their judgement making and the deciding factor as to your liability & they will take into consideration a lot more than whether or not there was a written law forbidding it. As has been suggested you might want to check with your insurance company as to whether or not they will in fact cover you should you be found at fault in such a situation.
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There are! You seem to be one as well, and giving, advocating, inproper towing is just plain wrong! There are guide lines and laws in this country that say, your thinking is wrong...................
Just because there are those of us that don't agree with your way of thinking it makes us advice givers? Really, look in the mirror!



I for one hate this subject post and cringe everytime it's posted.

I never remember saying it couldn't happen. There might be "advice givers" who have. But believe me when I say I have done and seen things that shouldn't/couldn't happen. I know that a vehicle that has a tow rating of 1000 pounds can tow much more weight. But my question you all of you "Advice Giver's" is should it?

I refuse to let a subject that could hurt someone go without the other side of the opinion. There are so many other issues to consider other than can it do it! There are many a story of people hurt, killed because of improper towing. Just because you choose to ignore the guide lines and laws of the road in this country doesn't make it right!


And as brought up a bazillion times, What does your insurance co say? Don't tell me they say it's ok....... I know better!





And I have a real issue with someone who is supose to be a forum moderator always being one of those that advocates improper towing. Have you ever thought about the liability of your advocating such an issue. Or the liability to the forum? Shouldn't be coming out of the mouth of a moderator (though you are very good at sending Pm's to people when you disagree with this subject) So not posting it for everyone to see, I am sure will not stop you from saying it's ok to do it!

Number one, you have know idea who your advocating it to. You have know idea of a person's experience! Many a experienced driver (towing) has had issues! Just because you haven't had an issue yet doesn't make it right.......




Hell, I can drink and drive ( I choose not to) but just because I can does not make it right!

So in ending of my advice giving I am gonna post a warning to all who read this.


Can a vehicle that has a low tow capacity, tow much more weight! Probabaly, but should it? Probabaly not, and my recomendation is to read all you can about your vehicles capabilities and read and understand the guide lines and laws. Also understand the people giving you information contrary to such laws and guidelines perhaps don't know everything.

As you may not have towing experience, keep in mind "advice givers" who tell you to go against such law's and guidelines may not have much experience either. They don't consider such things as wheel base (control of what your towing) They don't consider what towing something over your tow capacity does to your vehicle! And they don't take into consideration what it could cost when you hurt/kill and distroy someones life!
No need to shout.
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Norm, I truely believe that information is the best advocate. And since there is more information out there saying that towing over the tow capacity of a tow vehicle is not a good idea. I will go with that! When you spew that it can be done, not all information is given. Just, "It works for me, so give it a try.
Not all things have been considered and yet it's ok? Really? Do you ever think of all that goes into it?


Again, I am not saying it can't be done, BUT, should it? In my opinion is shouldn't.

And advocating otherwise is in my opinon Law of Negligence!

I don't give a hoot that someone chooses not to even consider their vehicle as far as frame, drive train etc. I care because I know that even with the best towing scenario things can go wrong. So towing with a improper set up to start with is just wrong.

All things considered there should be a standard of information here on the forum that is neutral as far as advice given. Follow the rules of the road, not what you can get away with. Again, many people drink and drive and actually get away with it. Dosen't make it right!
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No need to shout.

Not intending to "shout" just trying to get a point across for the bazillionth time!
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