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Old 01-22-2012, 07:18 AM   #15
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The Forester in Europe is rated much higher than it is in the USA. Why is beyond me. The following link shows European ratings.
What those ratings don't show is the European hitch weight limits which are either 75kg/165lb or 80kg/176lb for Foresters, shown here.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:29 AM   #16
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Tongue Weight

I'm one who minimizes tongue weight. I recently weighed mine and it was under 200 pounds, I believe 192. The Honda drops about a 1/2" at the center of the rear wheel well when connected.

We have a single Propane tank and one battery at this time. I have considered reducing this further by going to a fiberglass propane tank because I like the ability to see the propane level. We are entering our 3rd month without filling the propane tank and typically cook twice a day. Of course we are in the south and have not used the propane furnace.

We do have a little rearward weight. I do carry a half tank of water at all times and I generally drive with empty black and gray tanks. We do have a rear bumper box that probably has 20-30 pounds in it.

For perspective, we are traveling 11 months this year and have a full trailer though we do not carry anything loose in the trailer like coolers, plastic bins, chairs or grills..

If you look under modifications/preparing a Scamp 16 you'll see the mods we've made.

Last year we towed a Casita 16. It's tongue weigth was about 20% more at 240 pounds as well the trailer was about 400 pounds heavier at 2800 lbs versus the Scamps 2400 pounds. We towed the Casita about 3-4000 miles last year and it towed about the same as the Scamp. Never any sway with either the Scamp or Casita.

My son presently tows the Casita 16 with a Suburau Outback.

I do raise the tire pressure in the Honda CRv. I believe they suggest 26 pouns all around. I raise the rear cold pressure to 39 pounds and the fronts to 32 pounds.

I should also say that we never tow over 60 mph.

Hope this provides some information.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:53 AM   #17
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More European Forester examples

TowCar.info - Subaru Forester as Towcar

This will provide more information on the Forester. It uses a little different aapproach to evaluation and has a number of user reviews.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:54 AM   #18
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We tow a 13' Scamp Deluxe (which also has a 54" bed) behind our 2007 Forester XT, tows like a dream. We decided to go with the 13' over the 16' mainly so that we didn't ever have to worry about overloading it. I'm sure that a 16' would be doable in a 2010, but I think you'll definitely have to be cautious about weight distribution and overloading.
Austin & Alice - I like the 13' deluxe for the 54" bed also but like the larger refrigerator and space in the 16'. The deluxe 16' also has a 54" bed but weighs in at 2,300lbs and I'm a bit nervous about that with my Forester. So i'm leaning towards the 16' with layout 6 at 1,950lbs which has the 44" bed and a side bed. Now my wife and I can fight over the beds!! Guess who'll win that discussion. What are the upsides and the downsides to your 13's? Thanks.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:33 AM   #19
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I have factory trailer weigh scale tickets from Scamp for a (2009) 16 ft, standard and a 16 ft deluxe both were equipped with side dinette, 4.6 cu ft refrigerator , awning ,AC , furnace ,bath , roof fan, battery and one propane tank (empty) The 16 ft Standard =1960 lbs. Deluxe =2240 lbs . My 16 ft Standard weighs a little over 2400 lbs when loaded. I agree with Norm about the tongue weight ,I have lifted my trailer tongue and moved it over when my tow vehicle wasn't aligned quite right
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When I was shopping for a new tug and test drove an Outback, I found out that Subaru only had a 4 contact point electrical towing outlet and a small hitch and did not offer transmission coolers. Their specs also said 200 lbs tongue weight, whether it was 2400 for the Forrester or 3000 for the Outback. I really liked the CVT Transmission but for some reason I left the dealership with the feeling that they really did not want you to tow with it. I found my Jeep Liberty with a lot greater towing capacity for the same price.
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Any ideas as to why the tongue weight is so much higher on the Casitas assuming the exact same battery and propane tank setup?


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I'm one who minimizes tongue weight. I recently weighed mine and it was under 200 pounds, I believe 192. The Honda drops about a 1/2" at the center of the rear wheel well when connected.

We have a single Propane tank and one battery at this time. I have considered reducing this further by going to a fiberglass propane tank because I like the ability to see the propane level. We are entering our 3rd month without filling the propane tank and typically cook twice a day. Of course we are in the south and have not used the propane furnace.

We do have a little rearward weight. I do carry a half tank of water at all times and I generally drive with empty black and gray tanks. We do have a rear bumper box that probably has 20-30 pounds in it.

For perspective, we are traveling 11 months this year and have a full trailer though we do not carry anything loose in the trailer like coolers, plastic bins, chairs or grills..

If you look under modifications/preparing a Scamp 16 you'll see the mods we've made.

Last year we towed a Casita 16. It's tongue weigth was about 20% more at 240 pounds as well the trailer was about 400 pounds heavier at 2800 lbs versus the Scamps 2400 pounds. We towed the Casita about 3-4000 miles last year and it towed about the same as the Scamp. Never any sway with either the Scamp or Casita.

My son presently tows the Casita 16 with a Suburau Outback.

I do raise the tire pressure in the Honda CRv. I believe they suggest 26 pouns all around. I raise the rear cold pressure to 39 pounds and the fronts to 32 pounds.

I should also say that we never tow over 60 mph.

Hope this provides some information.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:49 AM   #22
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It could be anything, everything that is forward of the axle will add weight to the tongue.
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Is the axle farther back on Casita's than Scamps maybe?

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It could be anything, everything that is forward of the axle will add weight to the tongue.
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I towed a 16' fully loaded scamp with my 4 cylinder RAV4 with transmission cooler up from Denver to Moab and back. Basically the most brutal drive you could do. Since you go from 5,000 to 11,000 and back down to 4,000 and then back. My car was NOT happy with me. The car could handle the weight and sway was not a problem. So from a safety issue, not an issue. I was revving hard (4000 rpm) the entire way up the hill and towards the top I could really smell something, probably my transmission. Luckily it was probably 40's that night otherwise things would have gotten really hot. My fuel efficiency for the entire trip average around 15 mpg. I normally average around 26.

RAV4 is zippier and more powerful than the Subaru, I will never pull something that large with my car again. Get a bigger car or a smaller trailer. I love my 13 footer. You think the 16' footer is going to feel bigger, but a properly outfitted 13' is all you need.
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Words of wisdom spoken by Kevin. Do not get me wrong, Subaru's are real nice vehicles. They are compact, all wheel drive and nice inside. They have a high reliability, good gas mileage and a high safety factor. Their owners are devotees and have a cool factor, similar to Jeep Wranglers. They wave to one another just like Harley Owners. But, for anything other than light towing, they are not well suited. This subject seems to reappear every 6 months, particularly in the winter. I recall a multipage post awhile back on the same issue. It is highly subjective and vigorously debated here with owners and non owners. The European ratings are one thing, the shifting of weight is another and various owners tow with a Subaru without issues and some have issues. I feel it is a marginal vehicle for towing, a grey area vehicle. I'd rather have too much in reserve and not need it than to not have it. But that is my opinion, some people do not look at things the same way, again highly individual thoughts are what make these forums interesting.
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I towed a 16' fully loaded scamp with my 4 cylinder RAV4 with transmission cooler up from Denver to Moab and back. Basically the most brutal drive you could do. Since you go from 5,000 to 11,000 and back down to 4,000 and then back. My car was NOT happy with me. The car could handle the weight and sway was not a problem. So from a safety issue, not an issue. I was revving hard (4000 rpm) the entire way up the hill and towards the top I could really smell something, probably my transmission. Luckily it was probably 40's that night otherwise things would have gotten really hot. My fuel efficiency for the entire trip average around 15 mpg. I normally average around 26.

RAV4 is zippier and more powerful than the Subaru, I will never pull something that large with my car again. Get a bigger car or a smaller trailer. I love my 13 footer. You think the 16' footer is going to feel bigger, but a properly outfitted 13' is all you need.
Kevin & Jim - I really appreciate your input! I'm a stubborn one and don't give in easily. I originally started looking at simple pop up tents before progressing to the 16' Scamp. I'm beginning to get the point. I do like the 13' Scamp but can't get over the skimpy 1.9 cu.ft. frig and 44" bed because we want the toilet and shower. I love my wife but that kind of togetherness might be a bit too much! I guess I'll consider the deluxe model that gives me the 54" bed and just learn to live with the small frig.

Anyone have a mod for a larger frig in the 13' Scamp?

However, I haven't personally seen a Scamp yet. Anyone in the Illinois area willing to let us see theirs? Or southern Wisconsin? Particularly interested in the 13" and 16' with toilet/shower.
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I'm one who minimizes tongue weight.
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I should also say that we never tow over 60 mph.
Norm, I think what you're saying is that you are an experienced tow-er who tows in the European style (lower hitch weight, lower maximum speed), so using the European tow ratings makes sense.
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What those ratings don't show is the European hitch weight limits which are either 75kg/165lb or 80kg/176lb for Foresters, shown here.
Only problem Andrew with falling back on the European Subaru's hitch weights is that it has been documented that the NA and European cars have different components in the rear end. Not to mention the difference in NA and European road grades. So one can not compare the two.

I have towed a 16' Scamp side bath for 5 years with an Outback and over 9,000 miles just this year. I have to watch carefully what I stow in the trailer and work hard at keeping the tongue weight down and not end up with any wagging. The Outback does pretty well towing the trailer and gets over 19 mpg towing.

Subaru's manuals also state that a equalizer hitch is not to be used on them.

Having said that though there is no way I would tow a 16' anything with a Forester. Thats just MHO.
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