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Old 01-25-2012, 06:05 AM   #57
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Hi: All... In the towing equation the most variable is the TUG. Your fiberglass trailer will probably outlive several of them. We towed a 13' Boler with a V6 Taurus wagon and its tow cap was 1250#s. Big car/small tow cap. I added a tranny cooler and learned to drive the speed limit...and enjoy the trip.
We "UP"graded the trailer to a 19.5' Escape 5.0 so need a pickup and have changed that too!!! I have seen many people match the trailer to the "Tug" only to change tugs... down the road a little. The decision, with in its limits, is "UP" to you!!!
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:44 AM   #58
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"Are there any manufacturers I should be considering that make models similar to these??"

Escape and Lil Snoozy are two that come to mind. Raz
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:00 AM   #59
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Hey Dave:
We tow our 13' boler with our Forrester, have been coast to coast many times and firstly I can tell you from our experience, you will overload it at some point! You can be as careful as you want but it will happen, that's just human nature. We only have one tank and one battery but it's pretty easy to forget how much your water, food, etc. can weigh. I would never tow anything more than the 13.
BUT, the big thing is if you have an accident. Have you talked to your insurance people? Once you get close to the vehicles rates weight, you're on pretty iffy ground. The Forrester may pull it, but will it stop it on a dime? That would be my biggest concern. We know someone who went through that nightmare.

If you are worried about the bed, we sleep two of us (both somewhat over-weight and arthritic) plus a dog and one cat! Simple. I just installed a slide- out under the table which stays down in the bed position (Changed the other end from a two way couch/bunks to a three way couch/bunks/table 4 2 eating area) and we sleep long-ways. That makes it a queen size for your body and narrow where our legs and feet are. Made up a little mattress for the extension and away we go. One can get out of bed in the night without disturbing the other one and during the day we simply flip the little end mattress up onto the bed, slide the shelf back under the table and we're back in business for the day. A Lug-a-loo sits by the door at night and goes out into a pop-up shower cabana during the day or if we are near washrooms, it's rinsed and put away for the day. Probems solved. Good luck with whatever you decide but safety first eh?
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not sure if WD hitches are ok with Subies, but if so, it could minimize these factors).
Sadly a weight distribution hitch is not a good answer to the low tongue weight limit as Subaru states in their manual they are *not* to be used.
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:57 AM   #61
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Have you thought about the used market ?
Daniel - I would love to purchase from the used market and will check there first before making any purchase. However, from the searches I've conducted so far there are an extremely limited number on the market and I'd like to consider a relatively new vintage. Maybe 2008 and newer. Thanks.
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Old 01-25-2012, 01:27 PM   #62
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Dave,
We purchased all of our RVs used, all but one on Craig's List. We bought our 1991 Scamp last year in FL. Since we've been on the road (2 months) we've given 31 tours. Virtually everyone thought it was a new rig, even 2 Casita owners at Myrtle who had rig's 10 years newer than ours.

They do standup very well.

As to hitch loading, we have only one propane tank. I've considered going to a fiberglass propane tank because it allows one to see the Propane Level and is lighter.

As well we keep the water tank half full at all times. This reduces the hitch weight as well. We don't keep water there to reduce the hitch weight, but rather for emergencies. If we know we're going into a boon dock situation we usually fill the water tank.

We try not to go far with anything in the gray or black tanks, dumping at the first opportunity after boondocking.

We do not have a roof top AC unit because I believe they are out of proportion in appearance and probably capability plus I don't like high weight. We don't have an awning because over the years we find we rarely use them and simply have seen too many problems with them when people are off exploring. For they were more useful when weekend camp-ing where there's a tendency to be around the rig all weekend.

The bed is a very individual matter. We have always had a queen bed at home and in our motorhome. We thought we'd have to learn to roll over at night simultaneously in a small trailer in the queen, it's just too big. The small bed turned out to not be a problem for us. Now the problem is when we go home and sleep in the queen, some nights I feel like I slept alone.

Part of it maybe that we're more active when we're traveling and that encourages sleep. If you haven't tried sleeping in a small space you can block off part of your bed at home and get a few laughs.

I'm wishing you well on your adventure.

As to the insurance company, we have Liberty Mutual. They insure our trailer and tow vehicle, our only vehicle. Our tow vehicle was hit once while towing, the insurance company did not blink.

Our tow vehicle is in it's 8th year and has around 160,000 miles on it, about 20,000 a year. I'm sure that the company likes the fact that we're low mileage drivers and actually are typically driving in low traffic areas at low traffic times, no cities and no driving to work.

I suspect that long term RVers are a careful bunch because in some sense they're often out there alone, actually a great feeling.

I will say there's a mind set to RV packing that is different than at least my previous life, one that actually is easier and less hassle once one gets used to it.

Sometimes I think there's too much trepidation in some comments. I never RVed until we retired at 58. In reality it's a fun and exciting life. We've spent well over 2000 nights on the road in the last 11 years, no make that 11 of the best years of our lives......

Wishing you well......
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firstly I can tell you from our experience, you will overload it at some point! You can be as careful as you want but it will happen, that's just human nature.
LOL Vivian you are so right! I pulled into the Bandon meet once for the weigh in and found the tongue weight on my trailer was 40lbs over what I had thought it would come in at. The reason for the change was I had stopped on my way to the meet and bought a new bike rack for the roof of the car and taken two fairly light road bikes (lots of carbon fiber) out from inside of the trailer (not off the outside back of the trailer) and put them onto the roof of the car...... that resulted in the tongue weight of the trailer going up by 40lbs.
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In 2011 I took delivery on a 16 foot Casita, 1785#. TV is 2005 Subaru Outback. This works for me. 22 mpg towing. No problem with overheated transmission. I still have lots to learn about the functionals, but am getting there. So far I enjoy it.

If you are close to WI, come see it. Mona
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In 2011 I took delivery on a 16 foot Casita, 1785#. TV is 2005 Subaru Outback. This works for me. 22 mpg towing. No problem with overheated transmission. I still have lots to learn about the functionals, but am getting there. So far I enjoy it.

If you are close to WI, come see it. Mona
Thanks Mona. Is your Outback a 4 or 6 cylinder? I was looking at Casitas but the dry weights they publish for their 16' standard and deluxe are 1970# and 2185#. And I assume these don't include weight of options. Are you sure yours was 1785#? By the way, is it a standard or deluxe and is it a spirit, freedom or liberty? Would definitely be interested in seeing it. I'm seeing a 16' Scamp next weekend in northern Illinois and could head up to Wisconsin depending where you're at. Thanks again for your info!

By the way, Casita quotes a double bed and a 46" bed depending on the brochure. Do you know what it is you get? 46" is not a double bed (54").
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:24 PM   #66
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FYI...I purchased a used 1990 16' Casita in AZ. Aero Paradise in Reedsburg, WI spent time and talent gutting and completely renovating it. Usually they redo the inside of aircraft. Everything imaginable is new. The exterior was repainted by an autobody shop.

I recovered cushions, made new curtains, had a new table made. The marine toilet was replaced with a portable in the bathroom.

Picutes are available on this web site...1990 Casita Redo....about Feb 11, 2011.
Check out the mods and alterations forum.

Did I mention that 1785# includes 2 full propane tanks and a 50# battery? Tongue weight is 195#.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:19 PM   #67
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Weights of SCAMP & CASITA models DIFFER widely...

...depending on the year of manufacture.
Mona's is a 1990 and they were much lighter made 20 years ago than they are now. Now they have double the weight of fiberglass (better constructions) more options that are now STANDARD and werent' 20 years ago, etc...all these variables make the trailers heavier these days than 20 years ago.
You can't go by the 13' or 16' length in determining the weight...you have to add the year of manufacture as an integral variable. Where Mona can tow a 1990 with a 4 cyl Outback, I sure wouldn't look at doing that with the 2011 16' deluxe models!
Talk to the service people at both Scamp and Casita about weights. I did and I was totally enlightened by my discussions. Scamp is cheaper quality and use lighter AC, lighter fiberglass, etc. Casita uses higher quality and it's heavier stuff. Casita will be the first to tout "trailer quality", and Scamp will be the first to tout "trailer lightness". Educate yourself carefully in order that you are not disappointed in what you buy...
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:48 PM   #68
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"Scamp is cheaper quality and use lighter AC, lighter fiberglass, etc. Casita uses higher quality and it's heavier stuff. Casita will be the first to tout "trailer quality", and Scamp will be the first to tout "trailer lightness". Educate yourself carefully in order that you are not disappointed in what you buy..."

BBuehler,

I've had a Casita 16 and a Scamp 16, each for about a year. I have worked on both of them and modified both of them significantly for our 7-11 month trips.

Other than weight I can not see much to differentiate the two, Scamps from Casitas, actually the similarities are some times annoying, both rigs have dramatic room for improvement.

My major issue with the Casita was interior height and trailer weight, the Casita was too short inside at 5'10" and weighed significantly more than the Scamp. If it weren't for the Casita's 5'10" interior height I would probably own one and live with the weight difference.

In reality I never could figure out where the Casita's extra weight was as well it's heavy nose weight makes it more difficult for small vehicles to tow.
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Casita's FG extends to a full underside, which Scamp does not have. That might account for some weight. Just speculating.
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Mike, that's certainly possible and I suspect part of the weight difference.

Before I owned our 21 year old Scamp I thought that might be a Casita advantage though it appears trailer's wooden floors don't fail from below but from the top due to window or other opening leaks.

I find both trailers well made particularly compared to a stick trailer I previously owned.
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