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Old 02-19-2012, 07:08 PM   #99
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Carol, the current 4 cylinder Outback and Forester do have the same size engine in the US market -- 2.5 liter.

The odd thing is that in Europe, the Forester gets a smaller engine (2.0) but is rated to tow MORE than the 2.5 liter Outback. But here in the US, they give the Forester a bigger engine and downgrade it's tow rating lower than the Outback. Go figure.

Jessie as I have and others have indicated in the past and provided links to read on the topic - the US Outback and the Europe Outback are not built the same. So comparing the two is pointless.
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Is it possible to modify a US Outback to bring the tow rating up?

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Old 02-19-2012, 07:12 PM   #101
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Carol, the current 4 cylinder Outback and Forester do have the same size engine in the US market -- 2.5 liter.
Jessie that is correct but only the 2011 and newer.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:17 PM   #102
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Is it possible to modify a US Outback to bring the tow rating up?

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Nope the tow cap on the Outback depends what model you have the rating is 2700lbs or 3000lbs. WD hitches are not to be used on them either.

Edit to add that I am sure someone here will come up with a creative way of modifying it but if you are wishing to keep your warranty in place the answer is Nope. :-)
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Melissa, this is a touchy topic around here, but I will say that my Curt hitch is rated to 350/3,500. The Euro hitches mount completely differently than US hitches. They mount where the bumper mounts instead of bolting to the rear "frame". If I were going to tow more than the US rating, I would certainly want a Euro hitch. In Europe, the Outback has a leveling rear suspension. Apparently, it cannot handle quite as much tongue weight as the US rear suspension. So we actually have an advantage there, albeit a slight one.

Carrying more than the US weight rating should probably be limited to relatively short trips, and you should be wary of mountainous terrain and extremely hot weather. Personally, I don't have a problem with people following the European ratings, so long as you understand the limits and do it safely and sensibly.
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Melissa, what Jessie unfortunately forgot to add was a disclaimer that most if not all euro type hitches are not legal in NA. So you would not want to be in an accident with one on your tow vehicle anymore than you would want to be in an accident while towing a trailer that is over the towing cap of your vehicle. After the legal system is through with you I suspect you could have bought several dozen or more new tow vehicles that were able to tow your trailer within their capacity.
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Jason & Everyone,

I have been following all your comments closely. Just haven't posted lately. I find Jason's observations most encouraging when considering towing a 16' with my 2010 Forrester.

My wife and I just visited the big RV show in RoseMont IL yesterday. We also went to the Boat and RV show in Chicago a couple of weeks ago. All the 16' to 19' RVs dry weight were all a minumum of 2200lbs to 3400lbs. Without a doubt the fiberglass seems to be the only viable option for us. My wife and I just don't believe the 13' options will be big enough for us so we're sticking to the 16' option...
Not only is the Scamp a bit lighter, it is more aerodynamic. That is IMO more important than the weight. A Scamp sits lower and has rounded edges, so it will move through the air much more easily than a square trailer. It will be much, much better for your Subaru than a stick trailer.

Even though front baths feel more roomy to me than side baths, I can see the wisdom of the side bath for the lighter tongue weight.
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Melissa, what Jessie unfortunately forgot to add was a disclaimer that most if not all euro type hitches are not legal in NA. So you would not want to be in an accident with one on your tow vehicle anymore than you would want to be in an accident while towing a trailer that is over the towing cap of your vehicle. After the legal system is through with you I suspect you could have bought several dozen or more new tow vehicles that were able to tow your trailer within their capacity.
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I understand and appreciate what you are saying. However, I do feel that there is a bit of FUD in the overtones. To have a problem, there has to first be an accident. Even so, I don't remember ever hearing about a case where the origins of the trailer hitch came into question. Most auto accident cases are battled out between insurance companies, and they rarely care what condition the cars are in. This is from my own experience. I would be interested to hear information about cases where these things were brought up in court.

Not that it matters much, but the name is Jesse. No "i" in there, as that would be short for Jessica. I am a fellow, not a lass.
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Any ideas as to why Euro hitches are illegal in NA? Are they considered inferior over here or something? That's a little disconcerting for our friends across the pond.

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Any ideas as to why Euro hitches are illegal in NA? Are they considered inferior over here or something? That's a little disconcerting for our friends across the pond.

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They have a different system for attachment to the car & the cars across the pound are actually built to take those types of hitches. No need to worry as they are also inspected and approved based on their car designs.
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Jesse I am sorry about the error in name but not for what you have read into my tone. Joking aside, it is IMHO very irresponsible for people to suggest to other people that they do something when they know its not legal in the county they live & don't disclose it. In this case not only are you suggesting the use of an illegal hitch but you are encouraging the original poster to tow a trailer that is not only going to be well over the vehicles tow cap but based on the plan they are wanting its a really good bet it will be well over the tongue limit as well, and last but not least its going to be towed by vehicle that is going to really struggle power wise with the trailer he is wanting. They have a 2010 Forester - which does not have the same engine as the Outback. None of which IMHO equals safe towing practices no matter how you want to spin it.

SPEED will have a big impact on a vehicles ability to safely stop with a trailer in tow - the speeds they tow at in Europe are not as fast as they are in NA which is in part (some might argue a *big* part) of why the difference in tow ratings, not just the difference in the vehicles construction. No matter what hitch you put on the vehicle its not going to change that fact.

You may want to sit down and talk to accident investigator as to what they will and will not look at in the event you have accident while towing a trailer and you seriously hurt or kill someone. I personally have no doubt that they will start with the basics: your tow cap, your trailer weight and your hitching set up. If your found at fault I also have no doubt that the courts will not look favorable on you if its found that not only did you know the trailer was over weight but you went so far as to put an illegal hitch on it in order to tow with it anyways.

As I said that just MHO & I would suggest you obtain your own legal advise on it.
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Um... the autobahn is in Europe, right? (goes to "the speeds they tow at in Europe")
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Um... the autobahn is in Europe, right? (goes to "the speeds they tow at in Europe")
Yup the Autobahn is in Europe but if your towing you are only allowed to do 80 km/h which translates to 50 mph on the autobahn - in fact you can go as slow as 60 km/h (36 mph) without fear of fines.
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Any ideas as to why Euro hitches are illegal in NA? Are they considered inferior over here or something? That's a little disconcerting for our friends across the pond.

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Not illegal because of the hitch, but because of what they replace. The US mandated 5mph bumper is removed on most cars to install the euro hitch. Considering how well that thing works in most cars at reducing impact damage, I's say its no loss. But that is IMO.

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