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Old 01-21-2012, 02:58 PM   #1
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Wanna tow Scamp 16' with Subaru Forester

Hello. I'm new to RVing. Haven't done it yet. My wife and I hope to travel a fair amount in retirement and are looking at the Scamp 13' and 16'. We like the idea of the 16' deluxe because it has a 54" bed versus the 44" bed on the standard 13' and 16' models. However, our 2010 Forester is rated to tow 2400lbs. I understand the deluxe 16' dry GVW is about 2,300lbs. Would I be pushing the Forester too much particularily on upgrades? Would like to hear from those towing RVs with a Subaru Forester.

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Hi,
I tow a 13' Scamp with an '09 Forester X2.5. Scamp has brakes and a bathroom/shower. Fully loaded weighs 1840#. Tows like a dream. I think a 16' may be a bit more than a Forester could handle. Especially in mountains or high temps. You could do it, but I feel it would lessen the life span of the Forrester. Just my opinion.
If I were to step up to a 16' camper, I'd buy a Toyota Rav4 with a V6 engine. They are rated to tow 3500#, whereas the Forester is only rated to tow 2400#. When I bought the Forester, I was looking for a vehicle that could tow a 13' Scamp, good gas mileage, and price. The Forester came in 1st, Rav4 2nd. The only thing about the Rav4 that I don't like, but could live with is the rear door opening from the side, rather than a lift up. I would be super if Honda would beef up the CR-V to tow at least 2400# rather than the paultry 1500 it is rated at now.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:27 PM   #3
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If you are careful about your tongue weight and load very lightly, it can be done.
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I looked at the tow rating in an older Rav 4 and it said anything over 600 pounds needed trailer brakes. Just saying.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:36 PM   #5
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Thanks Alice and Mike.

Scamp says the standard 16' Scamp with the options I want would weigh in at 1950lbs. If I were careful in how much I loaded it down it sounds like this would be reasonable. I really would like to get the space the 16' with layout 6 offers.

Alice - However I'd then have a 44" bed with a small side bed. Do you sleep two folks in the 44" bed in your 13' and if so how comfortable size wise is it?

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I looked at the tow rating in an older Rav 4 and it said anything over 600 pounds needed trailer brakes. Just saying.
I'm shopping TV's as well and the RAV4 is on the list. That sounds like some important information that I haven't come across before. Can you reference it?

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I'm shopping TV's as well and the RAV4 is on the list. That sounds like some important information that I haven't come across before. Can you reference it?

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Sorry Mark, It was a Rav 4 that I was driving for the auto auction and I was just looking through the owners manual and there it was under towing. I too am sorta looking around for a good small suv to tow my egg and I have just randomly been looking through the owners manuals. The newer Rav 4's are bigger and I would think that they would have a higher tow rating.
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The Subie's tongue weight limit is 200 lbs and that will be the determining factor. Get yourself a Sherline scale Sherline Trailer Tongue Weight Scale - 2,000-lb Capacity Sherline Tools 5780
and load it carefully.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:31 PM   #9
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Another view, Honda CRV

We tow our Scamp 16 with a 2004 Honda CRV and have towed it or similar trailers for 4 years with our Honda, We averaged between 20 and 23 mpg depending on what trailer and what route.

The Honda has never had a drive train repair in over 150,000 miles. It has a 4 cylinder gas engine. Our heavily modified 1991 Scamp 16 weighs 2400 pounds; 200 of the 2400 lbs are on the ball of the Honda. We only use a anti-sway bar because we own one. We do not use a weight distribution hitch. There has never been a tendency for the trailer to sway. We have made one loop of the USA, crossing the Rockies twice and one cross Newfoundland, Labrador, Quebec trip. This year we are making an 11,000 mile loop of the USA.

The manual for our Honda says we can tow 1500 lbs. The European version of the Honda CRV allows 1500 pounds if you have no trailer brakes. With trailer brakes they allow the Honda CRV to tow 3300 lbs. Our Scamp of course has trailer brakes.tow

We based the Honda's ability to tow on the European ratings.

The Forester in Europe is rated much higher than it is in the USA. Why is beyond me. The following link shows European ratings.

Towing Capacity Subaru,

I know many on the site are opposed to the use of European ratings, primarily fearing legal action, while others are looking for more pulling power (generally speed). I look for economy and reliability. The Honda has been both. As well when we travel for every towing mile we have one exploring mile and we want those exploring miles to be comfortable and even more economical.

Outside of the fact that we have had outstanding reliability with the Honda CRV, I also like the Suburau Outback, used by many and the Rav4.

Slowly drifting west on our loop.
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Jim - Thanks for your advice. The 2010 Forester manual claims a maximum tongue weight of 250lbs. So if the tongue weight is critical in your mind, it sounds like I can go forward with the deluxe Scamp 16' so long as tongue weight is below 250lbs.

Ginny & Norm - Sounds like your Honda is a marvelous auto. I'm surprised that it's rated for only 1500lbs yet you have been towing 2400lbs all over and across the Rockies without trouble!!

Based on your inputs I think I'm becoming a little bit more comfortable towing 2300+lbs with my Forester.

Thanks for your input!!!!

I will have electric brakes and a sway bar installed. Do you think a transmission cooler in this case is over kill???
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Transmission cooler

Our Honda CRV has a manual transmission. Unfortunately it is no longer available on the CRV. I imagine if I had an automatic I would get a transmission cooler.

On our CRV we have a mark on the temperature dial and it always stays on the spot once its warmed up.

There are a number of Suburau owners on the site, Possibly they'll chime in about the need for a transmission cooler.
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I personally think even without towing a auxiliary transmission cooler for a automatic transmission isnt overkill, heat is the #1 killer of transmissions
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We tow a 13' Scamp Deluxe (which also has a 54" bed) behind our 2007 Forester XT, tows like a dream. We decided to go with the 13' over the 16' mainly so that we didn't ever have to worry about overloading it. I'm sure that a 16' would be doable in a 2010, but I think you'll definitely have to be cautious about weight distribution and overloading.
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Alice - However I'd then have a 44" bed with a small side bed. Do you sleep two folks in the 44" bed in your 13' and if so how comfortable size wise is it?
No, it is just myself in the 44" bed. I think it would be very snug with two. But, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm glad someone also brought up the tongue weight, that is important also.
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