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Old 10-15-2015, 11:02 AM   #43
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Not only would I send the city the bill for the repair but I'd also inform them had the TV not been repairable they would have been buying me a new one!!! In today's world of litigation that might just get their attention. Also I'd notify the local news media of this hazzard so they can warn drivers. We have speed tables here in the dumbest places where a traditional speed hump/bump would suffice without risking damage. I just did a quick Google search and it looks like cities can be liable for damage so you might have a case to get reimbursed.
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Old 10-15-2015, 11:29 AM   #44
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You would have to go back and duplicate the situation, at the posted speed, and prove that it was a problem not attributable to the specific vehicle, and answer questions like: "Was the vehicle travelling at or below the posted speed limit", "Was the tongue jack fully retracted", "Was the ball height correct for the trailer" and, "Does the jack and/or trailer manufactured recommend removing the jacks foot when under way". And, from a liability standpoint, "Was the vehicle rated for towing the load of the trailer".


About all the consumer might have as a counter is if the speed bump/table was not constructed to specifications and or posted correctly.
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The VW Jetta had an aftermarket hitch that was not installed in the VW approved manner and the flexing broke the sheetmetal. This is the problem with using a US manufactured hitch instead of a type certified hitch from Europe.
Not a VW problem, a cheap inferior hitch problem.

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Old 10-15-2015, 05:06 PM   #46
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The VW Jetta had an aftermarket hitch that was not installed in the VW approved manner and the flexing broke the sheetmetal. This is the problem with using a US manufactured hitch instead of a type certified hitch from Europe.
Not a VW problem, a cheap inferior hitch problem.

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It is not my intent to sound harsh, I think VW makes generally well engineered cars but...
Sounds like it was the "superior" VW sheet metal which broke. I have used what you refer to as "cheap inferior"U.S. made hitches on my Fords without their approval for 5 decades without a single failure.
Somehow since U.S. made and engineered hitches work great on virtually every application except (possibly) Volkswagen that the fault lies with the hitch manufacturers? The logic kinda escapes me.
It sounds like extra effort is required to design for a weaker car, or the hitch was overloaded. Don't you think they consult manufacturers specs when building aftermarket hitches? Almost every hitch I've installed was mounted to OEM mounting points without modification.
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:58 PM   #47
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You misunderstand the mounting designed by VW for the trailer hitch.
The aftermarket hitches in the US do not transfer the loads as designed by VW in the least. This is what the approved hitch looks like.


Please notice the long heavy steel bars on either side. These slide into the two pockest that form the main carry though on either side of the trunk. While this is made of sheet metal like all unibody cars it is pretty heavy and the mounting points are separated by a good distance.
A huge difference in this.



and this.



Compared to this.







This is why in Europe ONLY the factory approved mounting points can be used and only a type accepted hitch can be used. If you are going to tow with a VW use ONLY a type certified hitch which is more expensive, but WILL meet the factory specifications and withstand 2 million cycles with no detectable distortions.

If you feel you must warn everyone about towing with a VW please make sure you are warning them about using inferior mounting style US hitches and not the proper Euro hitch.

Without a doubt the methods used by the hitch manufacturer you reference are faulty, but the steel used by VW is not. I would post pictures you used, but my searches did not find them.

Any piece of metal that flexes l eventually fail. It is called a fatigue fracture. No load of any consequence should be bolted to thin unreinforced sheetmetal. Any hitch attached in such a manner will fail with similar loading, not just VW.
The owners manual clearly shows the proper mounting locations even though they do not suggest towing or have low limits in this country. This is close to the strongest part of the car as it should be.
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You misunderstand the mounting designed by VW for the trailer hitch.
I understand and did when I commented.
We raced water cooled VWs for 15 years. everything about their designs was either brilliant or stupid.
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I understand and did when I commented.
We raced water cooled VWs for 15 years. everything about their designs was either brilliant or stupid.

I have to agree. I raced Alfas and this is even more true.
However this is not one of the stupid things. The proper hitch mounting is pretty good as is the proper hitch.

The US made hitches I have seen do not make the cut unless you just want to mount a bike carrier.

If you are going to tow anything of any consequence then mounting as VW specified is required and a certified hitch is a good idea as well.
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I have to agree. I raced Alfas and this is even more true.
However this is not one of the stupid things. The proper hitch mounting is pretty good as is the proper hitch.

The US made hitched I have seen do not make the cut unless you just want to mount a bike carrier.

If you are going to tow anything of any consequence then mounting as VW specified is required and a certified hitch is a good idea as well.
My point is that the non-conventional design of the car requires the non-conventional hitch design which may necessitate the use of the VW hitch, which really means that culpability works both ways.

The hitches available for my Mustang are a joke for anything other than a bicycle (better be a roadbike).
If I buy one it will certainly be only as a starting point for a secure hitch.
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Yep, one would think that VWofA would make a U.S. market suitable hitch available rather than just leave their buyers open to whatever the after-market offers.
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If you are going to tow anything of any consequence then mounting as VW specified is required and a certified hitch is a good idea as well.
The same can be said if towing with a NA made car and using the factory mounting points but then deciding to tow something heavier than what the cars hitch mounting points was designed/spec'd to carry. Hard to say but its not outside the realm of possibilities that the complete failure of the OP's hitch was the result of excessive weight on the hitch/cars mounting points.

Even if not towing something heavier than what the vehicle is spec'd to tow its always a good idea to at least once a year take a close look at how the hitch attachment points are standing up to the test of time.
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Yep, one would think that VWofA would make a U.S. market suitable hitch available rather than just leave their buyers open to whatever the after-market offers.
I suspect they believe that if the owners of their vehicles follow their NA vehicle towing spec there is no problem with using the US hitch..... its when owners decide to tow over and above the towing spec set for their vehicles that problems of hitch failure become an issue.
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My only point is if you want to tow to the rated load then the car and hitch need to be complementary. The Euro design specs call for all parts to be designed and tested to meet their standard. There is no standard required by the US so there are many different designs. Not that any particular one is deficient for us made cars, but when ratings are based on total complementary systems then the entire system must be used.
As a fair to middlin' engineer I can recognize poorly coupled loads and poorly designed systems. Most of the mounts for US made trailer hitches are deficient. Torqlift are closer, but fail to couple into the frame rail, using only one of the mounting points on each side and the bumper mounting holes into relatively thin sheet structure. Better than the Draw-Tite and Curtis etc, but still not right.
Before one casts stones at a design one needs to consider how it is meant to be used and connected.
The Euro system works well and has been tested to do so to a much greater extent than what passes for a system in the US.
Why VWoA does not rate its passenger cars like they do in Europe, but evidently you can't trust then anyway!
The obNOXious TDI will, however, tow quite well and with the proper hitch (not made in the US) do it with strength and safety.
I know lots of people disagree, but then they probably have not tried it for themselves and speak out of a lack of actual knowledge and experience.
The car was designed to meet it's ratings and the available hitched made by manufacturers who have had their hitches approved fit and work and meet those ratings. They just don't sell them here, but they can be imported with little trouble, just need $$.
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Sad how Bat Dudes story of a bad incident with a speed bump has gone sideways to a VW's proper hitch. His tug is a Ford Freestyle, not a VW. I can only believe that he was within his specs. Glad he was able to get both repaired so quickly. I think most us have had something bad happen to us on the road at some point.
With all the tech/spec info that gets thrown out here, does anyone think they do any tests for basically a dead stop of the trailer and not the tug? No, things bend and break, just cuz. Accidents happen, some points get way over stressed for an instant....pop. Kind of wonder if the tug would have been a VW with the Euro hitch, everything else being the same what the out would have been.
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And, who thinks the engineering department in that jurisdiction didn't spend a couple years reviewing studies of types of speed bumps before they installed them? And, then put the proper signage in place after a six-month review by the legal department?
Those public servants have a job to protect - their own.

And, then there is this admission, "No on board GPS as such, but we used an 8" tablet linked with our Verizon Hot Spot and Google map navigation directions. As we made a right turn onto a street nearby the final destination we were traveling about 20-25 MPH as we scanned the side streets on the right.

Not watching where we were going. I don't think I'd attempt a lawsuit.

I don't think Batdude was trying to lay the blame elsewhere.
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