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Old 03-08-2019, 11:07 AM   #1
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Weight Distribution Hitch

First, this is our first RV so please excuse my ignorance in advance.

We just purchased a 2016 Bigfoot 25B25RQ. Our TV is a 2003 Dodge RAM 2500 HD with the Cummins. The previous owner did not use a WD hitch and claimed he had no problems with control. I towed it about 100 miles when we pulled it home without the WD hitch and it seemed to be fine.

My question is: Is it really necessary to use the WD hitch if the TV is heavy duty enough?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Does your owner's manual give any guidance on the tongue weight range for which WDH is recommended or required?
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The Dodge owners manual doesn't address it. The Bigfoot owners manual just states if you do use a WD hitch then do this. It doesn't say whether or not you need it.
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I guess the next question is what is the tongue weight of the BF and what is the max tongue weight of the tow.
For reference, my RAV4 has max tongue weight of 350 lbs. The trailer tongue weight is 320. Rear of RAV4 drops a couple inches without WDH and ride is bouncy. I use a WDH, which gives a much more secure feel and removes the bounce. It also prevents the headlights from pointing at the sky.
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:06 PM   #5
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The factory specs show the BF tongue weight at 610 lbs but I am sure that will change as I load the trailer. I am going to have to wait on the Dodge specs until later when I get home. But I know it is way over 610 lbs.
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To answer your question, a w/d is intended to shift some weight of the rear of the tow vehicle. Sometimes the weight is too much and it can impact the steering, the axles and general towing comfort. If you are within your tow vehicle's specs, and it tows fine, then no, a w/d is not needed.
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:23 PM   #7
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Ok Thank you for that information. I didn't know if the trailer itself required it to take weight off the tongue or if the TV was the main consideration.

I did find my Dodge specs. I have the class IV hitch. Max trailer weight 12,000 lbs and max hitch weight is 1800 lbs.
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:40 PM   #8
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Most trucks have a limit for tow weight over 5000 or so pounds and require a WDH over that limit.
From the Ram information

https://www.ramtrucks.com/BodyBuilde...ficationId=390

Class IV

5000-pound non- weight distributing
12,900-pound maximum weight distributing
1290 lbs. tongue weight
Largest travel trailers made for recreation
Weight-distributing hitch is required; as indicated by each weight classification

If the weight is over 5,000 lbs then you must use a WDH or you exceed the limits of the vehicle.

Almost every truck has this approximate limitation.
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Dragging the WDH out to the tow is a pain. If the ride is fine without, I'd do without.
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Dragging the WDH out to the tow is a pain. If the ride is fine without, I'd do without.
Yes it is a pain, but then you would not meet the requirements for the weight over 5000 lbs.
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First, this is our first RV so please excuse my ignorance in advance.

We just purchased a 2016 Bigfoot 25B25RQ. Our TV is a 2003 Dodge RAM 2500 HD with the Cummins. The previous owner did not use a WD hitch and claimed he had no problems with control. I towed it about 100 miles when we pulled it home without the WD hitch and it seemed to be fine.

My question is: Is it really necessary to use the WD hitch if the TV is heavy duty enough?

Any help would be appreciated.

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I would think your fine without one, they are a PITA for sure.

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Old 03-09-2019, 11:46 AM   #12
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WDHs are mainly to keep your headlights from pointing up in the sky …. and to maintain enough weight on the front wheels for traction and steering control.
See my remarks in another post.
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Old 03-09-2019, 01:25 PM   #13
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I bought a 25R25RQ this last Feb and pulled it from Atlanta to Nashville, going up a 6% grade at Monteagle, TN, in a heavy rain. No WDH. No sway and no problems. Hit 70 mph for a few minutes after it stopped raining and before I realized my speed. I will be putting a Blue Ox Sway Pro on and will use it, but I don't think it is needed. The Big Foot is just very well designed and made, can't say that about most other TT's. Many people on the BF Forum say they don't use WDH.
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Old 03-09-2019, 06:45 PM   #14
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One thing you want to check when towing is stability. Start at slower speeds, maybe 30 MPH and twitch the steering wheel a little bit to one side then back straight to make the trailer sway a little bit. If it quickly returns to tracking without excessive oscillating back and forth then up the speed 5 MPH and try it again. If at any time the trailer sways back and forth and takes a long time to straighten out don't go any faster or you stand the chance of losing control. As long as the rig is stable, keep upping the speed until you are at your top driving speed. There are two reason I suggest this procedure. One is that it simulates a collision avoidance maneuver and it is good to know how your rig handles, similar to practicing skidding in a snow covered parking lot. The second is that you may have to take steps to improve the stability of the rig. The addition of a WDH, which transfers weight to the trailer wheels and front wheels of the tow vehicle, helps stability.


You also want to make sure your trailer is level when hitched up. If the hitch is too high it reduces your tongue weight and raises the center of gravity of the trailer, which reduces stability.
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My 2002 F250 says to use a WDH above 6500 lb trailers (up to the 12500 lb max hitch towed).

that said, when I towed a casita with a toyota tacoma trd 4x4, it rode a lot nicer with a WDH, but then I got airbags on the truck which were just so much easier to deal with, and I never used the WDH again.
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I really appreciate all the response to this issue. According to my owners manual my MTW is 13,000 lbs and MHW is 1500 lbs. I contacted Bigfoot and they said their trailers are built to very strict standards and according to the specs of my TV they didn't see a need for a WDH. I am going to give it a try without it this in a week and try a few of the suggestions from those that responded on here. I will let you know how it goes when we get back in few weeks.

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go over some low speed dips and bumps on the road, and if the front of the tug vehicle feels 'pitchy' or like its 'porpoising', you might want a WDH....
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Five Things You Need To Know About A Weight-Distributing Hitch

If the words “weight-distributing hitch” cause you to scratch your head, listen up because it is a required piece of equipment for every truck in the country that tows a considerable amount of weight. There is also a strong likelihood you have been towing incorrectly.
1. It’s a Required Piece of Equipment
Every truck manufacturer, whether it is for a midsize, 1/2-ton, or heavy-duty, requires a weight-distributing hitch when using a bumper trailer hitch ball. Most mid-size and half-ton trucks require it at 5,000 pounds, while heavy-duty trucks usage can vary from 6,000 to 8,500 pounds. The key word here is required, and it is listed in the owner’s manual as a way to shield the manufacture from liability.
What would a 5,000-pound load look like? For example, hooking up a double-axle trailer (2,200 pounds) and loading a car (4,000 pounds) would require you to use the hitch.
Also, most pull-behind camper RVs require the use of a weight-distributing hitch, and this is commonly where you see these types of hitches. However, they should be used with towing anything more than 5,000 pounds.
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I’m just surprised the OP didn’t find it in the Ram owner’s manual (see posts #2 and #3). Since trucks have a lot of configurations and can take many different hitch classes, perhaps it’s on a sticker affixed to the hitch or in a towing guide document at a dealer. Still, I would expect the owner's manual to say something, if only a reference to an external document.

I happen to agree, by the way, that the threshold for WDH should be determined by the manufacturer based on engineering and testing, not just by how it sits or feels. There's no objective standard about how much squat is too much, and if the average driver can feel squirrelly handling in normal operation, then the rig is way past the point where weight distribution is needed.
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I use a WDH on my Casita, and I will be using one on my Big Foot25RQ.

But I asked the dealer if they use a WDH when they tow their trailers to and from the Dealership and they said they do not. The BF is towed down from BC, Canada. 2 years ago at an Interstate rest stop a commercial trailer was being bumper towed by a 1 ton dually. The trailer had 3 axles and was very long. So I went up to the driver and asked what they recommend regarding a WDH. He said nobody pulling the bumper pulls at his company uses a WDH and they pull across the USA and into Canada and Mexico. He said other commercial companies that he knows of towing bumper pulls do not use WDH.

I have not been able to identify ANY state that requires a WDH in their statutes. They DO require safety chains. If anyone can identify the such a law please site the specific State and the specific code.
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