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03-26-2013, 01:45 PM
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Junior Member
Name: David
Trailer: Bigfoot 17
British Columbia
Posts: 9
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Weight Distribution Hitch-What size to use ?
I'm looking for advice on what size of weight distribution hitch I should use. I have a 1979 17' Bigfoot travel trailer (aprox 2500 lbs loaded ) with a tongue weight of around 300 lbs, my tow vehicle is a 2005 Ford Freestar Limited 4.2L with around 300 lbs in the back.
Advice on what size WD hitch to use would be great. David
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03-26-2013, 01:49 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Helite
Posts: 164
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If this were my rig, I would not use a weight distribution hitch. I might want to install a friction anti sway though.
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03-26-2013, 01:53 PM
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Senior Member
Name: deryk
Trailer: 2012 Parkliner 2010 V6 Nissan Frontier 4x4
New Jersey
Posts: 2,085
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Well the first question is why do you think you need a weight distribution hitch?
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost.... J.R.R. Tolkien
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03-26-2013, 02:13 PM
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Junior Member
Name: David
Trailer: Bigfoot 17
British Columbia
Posts: 9
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The rear of the van settles down taking the weight off the front, the WD hitch would be to put the weight back on the front drive wheels.
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03-26-2013, 02:26 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
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03-26-2013, 03:01 PM
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Senior Member
Name: deryk
Trailer: 2012 Parkliner 2010 V6 Nissan Frontier 4x4
New Jersey
Posts: 2,085
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I had a similar issue with my Rav4 and for $100 got the Firestone air bags for the rear coil springs... made a big improvement to the squatting problem.
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost.... J.R.R. Tolkien
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03-26-2013, 03:15 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deryk
I had a similar issue with my Rav4 and for $100 got the Firestone air bags for the rear coil springs... made a big improvement to the squatting problem.
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Airlift makes a kit for Freestar. For the $80 or so cost it would be worth trying.
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03-26-2013, 04:00 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Francesca Knowles
Trailer: '78 Trillium 4500
Jefferson County, Washington State, U.S.A.
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I see your model has third row seats- unless you need them for passengers, you might consider removing them when towing. Shedding that much deadweight might provide just enough "lift" to the vehicle rear.
Francesca
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03-26-2013, 04:09 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deryk
I had a similar issue with my Rav4 and for $100 got the Firestone air bags for the rear coil springs... made a big improvement to the squatting problem.
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The air bags may have improved the squat appearance, but did it do anything to re-distribute the weight?
I don't know, I'm just asking.
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03-26-2013, 05:39 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo
The air bags may have improved the squat appearance, but did it do anything to re-distribute the weight?
I don't know, I'm just asking.
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Now Glenn, you know the answer...
No, the air bags do improve the ability of the tug's rear axle to handle the load of the trailer's tongue weight, but they do not increase the Gross Axle Weight rating and they do not re-distribute the load.
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03-26-2013, 05:50 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David in Fernie
I have a 1979 17' Bigfoot travel trailer (aprox 2500 lbs loaded ) with a tongue weight of around 300 lbs, my tow vehicle is a 2005 Ford Freestar...
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The Freestar (late Windstar, for those who don't recognize the name) has a ten foot wheelbase; the hitch ball would likely be about four feet behind the van's rear axle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by deryk
Well the first question is why do you think you need a weight distribution hitch?
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Excellent question!
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Originally Posted by David in Fernie
The rear of the van settles down taking the weight off the front, the WD hitch would be to put the weight back on the front drive wheels.
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That's valid... now just how much is this?
The van is a big lever, like a see-saw (teeter-totter) with one end 10' long (the front wheels at that end), the other 4' long (the tow ball at that end), and the rear axle as pivot. Adding 300 pounds of trailer tongue weight to the ball levers 4/10ths of that off of the front axle, onto the rear: that's 120 pounds. The rear gets 300+120=420 pounds added to it.
The Freestar weighs about two tons (plus passengers and cargo), with about 60% of that on the front wheels (before trailer), so the front axle load starts at about 2400 pounds. Does 120 pounds (5%) reduction make a big difference?
My Sienna is the same size, my Boler tongue weight is the same (last measured at 305 lb), and with rear air bags in the Sienna I see no need for a weight distribution system. That's me... your experience may vary.
Of course, David didn't ask if he needed one, only what size it should be if he uses one. My answer is " big enough to shift no more than 120 pounds onto the front axle", which would also move about 75 pounds to the trailer axle and thus take 195 pounds off of the rear axle. By WD system standards, this is small.
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03-26-2013, 07:23 PM
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Senior Member
Name: jim
Trailer: 2022 Escape19 pulled by 2014 Dodge Ram Hemi Sport
Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,710
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I'm confused? If I have vehicle (A) which has air bags and when I attach my trailer it remains level and I'm within the spec's, therefore I do not need nor want a w/d hitch? Vehicle (b), the same as vehicle (a) but does not have air bags, it squats 2-3 " when I hook up my trailer and I'm still within the spec's, I do want a w/d hitch to raise my rear and lower my front to make the tow vehicle level.
Am I shifting weight to the front with vehicle (a) as I would be with vehicle (b) and the w/d set up? If not, why not?
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03-26-2013, 07:32 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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The air bags just prevent the rear from sinking. They don't transfer the weight to the front axle and trailer. You could replace the rear springs with I-beams from a high-rise office building and it wouldn't sag, but the ride would be really lousy.
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03-26-2013, 07:38 PM
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Senior Member
Name: jim
Trailer: 2022 Escape19 pulled by 2014 Dodge Ram Hemi Sport
Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,710
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where does the weight go in vehicle (a)?
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03-26-2013, 07:44 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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It doesn't go anywhere. It's still there. You just don't see it because your butt doesn't appear to be sagging.
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03-26-2013, 07:45 PM
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Senior Member
Name: jim
Trailer: 2022 Escape19 pulled by 2014 Dodge Ram Hemi Sport
Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,710
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So, therefore what would a weight distribution hitch accomplish without any sag?
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03-26-2013, 07:45 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo
It doesn't go anywhere. It's still there. You just don't see it because your butt doesn't appear to be sagging.
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I agree... I just couldn't say it as well
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1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
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03-26-2013, 07:56 PM
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Senior Member
Name: deryk
Trailer: 2012 Parkliner 2010 V6 Nissan Frontier 4x4
New Jersey
Posts: 2,085
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Now if the nose of the vehicle even with airbags is still pointing to the stars a wdh would shift some weight to the front axle to even it out.
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost.... J.R.R. Tolkien
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03-26-2013, 08:01 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
So, therefore what would a weight distribution hitch accomplish without any sag?
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A weight distribution system shifts load from the tug's rear axle to the tug's front axle and to the trailer axle. In Jim's vehicle "A" (presumably the Ram 1500), if a weight distribution system were added and the rear ride height was unchanged, that would just mean that less air would be needed in the air bags, because they would be supporting less load.
Using the numbers from my earlier post about David's Freestar and Casita, and pretending for a moment that they apply directly to Jim's Ram and FJ, and his Escape 19'... - without WD, the rear of Vehicle A (which has air bags) doesn't sag because the air bags are pumped up to enough pressure to push up with the extra 420 pounds (so the coil springs continue to support the same weight as without a trailer) but the nose will rise a bit due to the 120 pound load reduction,
- without WD, the rear of Vehicle B (no air bags) sags because the coil springs must compress to exert the extra 420 pounds, plus the nose will rise a bit due to the 120 pound load reduction, and
- if a WD system were used with Vehicle A (with air bags), less air would be needed since the bags would only be supporting 225 pounds, plus the nose will not rise so it will be about as level as without the trailer.
I realize that the hitch weight of Jim's trailer is not likely the same 300 pounds as David's, the wheelbases of Jim truck and SUV are different, and neither is the same as David's Freestar (Ram longer, FJ shorter), and that the rear overhang (rear axle to ball) is likely different for each tug... but the logic is the same. The numbers can be worked out for any tug and trailer by the same method, using the appropriate dimensions.
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Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
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03-26-2013, 08:02 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Francesca Knowles
Trailer: '78 Trillium 4500
Jefferson County, Washington State, U.S.A.
Posts: 4,669
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
So, therefore what would a weight distribution hitch accomplish without any sag?
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The w/d gets rid of the sag by transferring the "extra" weight that's causing it. (Extra being the excess over the rig's suspension capacity)
The air bags just give support for the extra weight at the point of origin.
Francesca
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