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Old 10-27-2012, 06:20 PM   #29
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boler manual recommends a WD system when towing with a car
I pulls very well at 90 km/h no problems at all, will not win any races but when camping that is not the goal.
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Why would you go with the suggestion of a manual that was written YEARS before most of the auto systems used today were even invented? Better question is to ask is what you car manual says? oh wait I suspect most of us already know what your manual says on the topic of towing
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I was just reading an article the other day about the Jetta being the number one tow car



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Yup the one built in Europe sure is. Unfortunately if you go back to the start of this thread you will see that you will need to move to Europe to get that tow car of the year.
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I was just reading an article the other day about the Jetta being the number one tow car



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I saw that, too- here's another article on the same subject: Jet-Set: Volkswagen Jetta Claims Record-Breaking Towcar Victory

HOWEVER:
As Carol said, it should be noted that the Jetta in that competition is very different from the car sold in North America, beginning of course with its diesel engine.

And I'd like to restate for the record that I in no way think that the O.P.'s North American 2010 Jetta is unfit to tow a trailer...my position is only that the hitch system/modifications proposed are not only unnecessary, but may do more harm to the car than good for the tow. This especially if there's any warranty left on this newer vehicle, since aftermarket modifications often void important parts of vehicle warranties.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:04 PM   #34
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Yup the one built in Europe sure is. Unfortunately if you go back to the start of this thread you will see that you will need to move to Europe to get that tow car of the year.
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VW sure does. So I am assuming you are aware that the Jetta TDI being built and sold in North America is not at all the same car they are selling in Europe which is the bases for the difference in towing capacity. According to VW everything about them is different including the engines and the power, they say the only thing the two have in common is the chassis. I suspect its what those in the engineering field would call comparing "Apples to Oranges".

Don't believe me watch this video "Test it The New VW Jetta" and listen carefully.
BTW, if you watch the video, the VW rep states that the chassis is identical. After a fair amount of research, I've verified that the engine is identical, other than the emissions systems. Even if it wasn't, 240ft-lb of torque is not my limiting factor. That leaves the brakes, which are also identical (plus I have trailer brakes and a top-of-the-line brake controller, and BTW they don't use trailer brakes in Europe), brakes are not my limiting factor either. Then there is the suspension and shocks, which I honestly couldn't determine if they were identical. Even if they are, I'm upgrading the shocks and adding a sway bar.

The other major difference between Euro and USA versions are the finish materials, like fake leather seats and steering wheel vs real leather in Europe. Oh and there is also an inferior audio system. Unfortunate as that is, I'll live.

I'm trying to go above any beyond what is required in Europe at the same ratings as I'm using an excellent trailer brake setup and will have a WDH as well. Plus I'm adding an additional attachment point for this hitch forward of the rear axle, which is a significant improvement.

UPS just delivered the Euro Hitch (or tow bar as they call it) from the UK, which is far superior to anything available here. The original purpose of this thread was to get ideas and feedback on how to add a WDH to said towbar, not to bicker over the towing capacity of my car. I do appreciate the concern though. Any more feedback on how to get a WDH on this hitch would be appreciated.

Any more comments about how the Euro version is a "completely different car" are your opinion and you are entitled to them. I'm just not interested in spending more time arguing over it. Thanks.
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Any more feedback on how to get a WDH on this hitch would be appreciated.
You might pick up some real good tips at the following site:
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Sometimes I wonder why some questions are even asked when an answer isn't really wanted.....

In as much as a WD hitch would place exactly the opposite pressure on the indicated mount, unless the mfg gives an okey-dokey, I wouldn't even think of making this somwhat Disneyesque modification to a new (or used) vehicle. Add to that, the trailer and hitch weigh is still an unknown, making it a somewhat moot issue.

May I suggest that the "outside the box" peeps talk amoung themselves as they usually aren't intrested in the opinions of those of us that are sooooo boring in taking the safe route on things.

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And Yes.... "You can always tell an enginer, you just can't tell them much!"
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Any more comments about how the Euro version is a "completely different car" are your opinion and you are entitled to them. I'm just not interested in spending more time arguing over it. Thanks.
Jon I am afraid you are going to have to get use to it or have a moderator edit your first post to reflect what car you have actually purchased as it is causing some confusion.

Unfortunately you indicated in your first post that you where buying a Jetta TDI but it was not until post #10 that you clarified that the car you you are actually purchasing is a Jetta Sportwagen also known as a Golf in NA and a Golf Saloon in Europe.

As by now you are surely aware the Volkswagen Jetta Sport 2.0TDI DSG which was rated in by the UK Caravan as the "Tow of the year" is not your car or the same Jetta TDI as sold in North America!
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"Any more comments about how the Euro version is a "completely different car" are your opinion and you are entitled to them. I'm just not interested in spending more time arguing over it. Thanks."
Seems the OP has made up their mind and is not interested in any more answers?

Good points there Carol!
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[QUOTE=ostojo;344463 BTW they don't use trailer brakes in Europe.[/QUOTE]


Remember folks you heard that from a engineer who has done their homework!

I would suggest it might be prudent for anyone considering towing in the UK to double check the accuracy of that information before hitting the road. Its possible that in the UK that brakes are required on any trailer weighing more the 750KG/1653lbs or that weighs more than half the curb weight to the car towing it or something along those lines.
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This conversation is reminding me more and more of the time my Engineer husband very patronizingly attempted to explain to my ignorant self how the water in a garden stream project was going to flow from one point to another without the use of a pump- despite the fact that it was perfectly clear to my naked eye that this would defy the laws of gravity!

I actually had to build a model for him before he abandoned his position...he was so ensnared by whatever "calculations" he'd made- not to mention his vast experience- that he literally couldn't see that despite his seven years of college he was simply dead wrong.

Anyway, and for what it's worth;

The O.P. is incorrect in his assertion re. trailer brake use in Europe...here are the rules, followed by a link to the source:

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3 :Brakes
Braking requirements are prescribed in Regulations 15 and 16 of The Road Vehicles (Construction &Use) Regulations 1986 as amended.

A trailer with a maximum design laden weight of more than 750 kg must be braked.
An inertia (overrun) type braking system may be used up to a maximum permissible laden weight of 3500kg.
It is not permitted to use an unbraked trailer, the laden weight of which exceeds 50% of the kerbside weight of the towing vehicle.
For trailers up to 1500kg laden weight, it is permitted to use secondary coupling, which in the event of separation (NOT failure) of the main coupling, will retain the trailer attached to the towing vehicle, prevent the nose of the trailer from touching the ground and provide some residual steering of the trailer.
Above 1500 kg laden weight, the trailer must be fitted with a device to stop the trailer automatically in the event of separation (NOT failure) of the main coupling. This is normally achieved by a breakaway cable attached to the parking brake mechanism where the trailer becomes detached from the towing vehicle.
Source: Legal requirements for trailers and towing a RIB

Onward through the fog!

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One difference I would expect between European and North American models of the same vehicle is softer springs, and probably dampers, on the North American model. Anyone who has driven in Europe will appreciate that handling is as important as straight-line comfort on European roads.

In the past I would expect the North American model to have smaller brakes but maybe that isn't true nowadays. I will never forget getting a new Ford Escort hire car in the 1980s in Canada whose brakes would have been considered unsafe in Europe.
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European/N.A. Differences,

At least in the case of many VW's, the name for a europen model maybe used in N.A. on an entirely different line and, again in the case of VW, most european models are built in Europe, while many N.A. versions are built in ......... Mexico.

And the new FIAT 500 fell from my grace's mostly because it's country of origin/assembly, not Italy as hoped, but again ..... Mexico.

Unfortunately Chrysler/FIAT can trace it's many years of quality issues to that source as well, I know, I accidently owned one.
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