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08-27-2013, 10:31 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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welded vs bolted axle
There seems to be a preference among some posters here for bolted-on axles.
What is seen as the advantage to bolting the axle to the frame?
I would prefer welding and see it as more stable,less expensive, and easier to swap-out after more than a quarter century of use.
I do have a MIG, a grinder, and a box of cut-off wheels, but then... every job requires the right tools.
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08-27-2013, 11:07 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 1,861
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On two later model Scamps I looked at it appears they are now using the bolt on brackets or at least the two I looked at. The brackets and bolt kits cost about $50 extra.
I recently replaced two axles. One with and one without the brackets. It takes the same effort to cut off an old axle about 1 hr. and to weld on a new axle with or without the brackets. I agree with Floyd I think the welded to frame axle is a more secure installation. But I think the mfg.'s prefer the bracket installation. I really doesn't matter to me I won't be changing out those two axles in another 25 years.
If you install brackets you are more than likely doing it for the benefit for the next owner. But you could also get a bad axle, in that case then you would see the return on your $50 investment. In another the situation where you desired to change your axle angle or change to a high lift it would made the change easier if using a Dexter or ALKO.
Eddie
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08-27-2013, 11:33 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
I do have a MIG, a grinder, and a box of cut-off wheels, but then... every job requires the right tools.
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For a bolt-on, that's a couple of wrenches, plus the same jack and jackstands needed for the welded installation.
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Originally Posted by Eddie Longest
If you install brackets you are more than likely doing it for the benefit for the next owner. But you could also get a bad axle, in that case then you would see the return on your $50 investment. In another the situation where you desired to change your axle angle or change to a high lift it would made the change easier if using a Dexter or ALKO.
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I agree.
In the case of the original trailer manufacturer, that "next owner" is the first owner.
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08-27-2013, 11:41 AM
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Commercial Member
Name: Ian
Trailer: 1974 Boler 1300 - 2014 Escape 19'
Alberta
Posts: 1,380
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In my experience it does not matter if the axle is welded or bolted, removing the axle after 20+++ years still requires cutting either the welds or the bolts. Properly installed and torqued bolts will provide the same stability and strength as welding. The only difference in my mind is that a bolt-on installation allows for easier future adjustment to the axle position either side to side or front to back if needed.
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08-27-2013, 11:55 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Frank
Trailer: 2012 ParkLiner #006
New York
Posts: 2,273
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian G.
In my experience it does not matter if the axle is welded or bolted, removing the axle after 20+++ years still requires cutting either the welds or the bolts. Properly installed and torqued bolts will provide the same stability and strength as welding. The only difference in my mind is that a bolt-on installation allows for easier future adjustment to the axle position either side to side or front to back if needed.
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I agree wholeheartedly! Having the ready ability (i.e., not owning a welder) to move an axle back a bit can have a very positive effect on trailer sway control as well. I would always prefer a bolt on axle.
Frank
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08-27-2013, 12:23 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Helite
Posts: 164
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If it is bolted on, you can change it yourself in a couple of hours. If it is welded on it will cost you several hundred dollars to have a professional welder to change it out.
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08-27-2013, 12:43 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Sharon
Trailer: Chez Nous - a 2011 Scamp 16'
Texas
Posts: 277
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Does the bolt on axle make it easier to "raise" a scamp a couple of inches? I've never noticed (never looked and can't right now as it's stored) if my 16' Scamp 2011 is bolted on axle or not. Darn!
S.
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08-27-2013, 12:47 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Frank
Trailer: 2012 ParkLiner #006
New York
Posts: 2,273
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SharonM
Does the bolt on axle make it easier to "raise" a scamp a couple of inches? I've never noticed (never looked and can't right now as it's stored) if my 16' Scamp 2011 is bolted on axle or not. Darn!
S.
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It depends on the type of axle. A spring axle can be flipped. I had a stickie that had been done to, and I reversed it to get it back to stock. I don't have any experience with torsion axles, so have no clue. To me, bolting anything makes it easier to work on!
Frank
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08-27-2013, 01:03 PM
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Commercial Member
Name: Ian
Trailer: 1974 Boler 1300 - 2014 Escape 19'
Alberta
Posts: 1,380
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frank_a
It depends on the type of axle. A spring axle can be flipped. I had a stickie that had been done to, and I reversed it to get it back to stock. I don't have any experience with torsion axles, so have no clue. To me, bolting anything makes it easier to work on!
Frank
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I agree with Frank that a leaf spring axle can be flipped. On a torsion axle spacer blocks can be installed between the frame and the axle mount to increase ground clearance
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08-27-2013, 01:37 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: Scamp 13
California
Posts: 1,890
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Cutting out an axle and welding in a new one your going to have to get everything much higher up. so its more work. If your 45 years old and cutting in and welding in a new axle it isnt too big a deal job wise. But doing the same thing 25 years later is a big deal at that age and getting someone to help you replace a bolted in axle is much easier. I dont know about you but the kids and young adults these days are not as cross trained and handy as the older folks were at the same age years ago. They dont seem to mind paying for everything that they should have learned to do. There is alot less talent to draw from.
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08-27-2013, 01:44 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
For a bolt-on, that's a couple of wrenches, plus the same jack and jackstands needed for the welded installation.
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Assuming the bolt-on brackets are already installed?
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08-27-2013, 01:48 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Randy
Trailer: 1980Trillium 1300
Ontario
Posts: 373
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...One label which is read on a frame of 18 wheeler manufacturing...DO NOT WELD ON THE FRAME.....If you pay attention to heavy truck chassis assembly, I bet a few welds would be found...It must have a...reason.....Just my input...
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08-27-2013, 02:04 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinh
...One label which is read on a frame of 18 wheeler manufacturing...DO NOT WELD ON THE FRAME.....If you pay attention to heavy truck chassis assembly, I bet a few welds would be found...It must have a...reason.....Just my input...
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A pure case of apples and oranges... Fiberglass RV trailer frames are not stress relieved, besides the bolt-on brackets for these little trailers are to be welded in place anyway.
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08-27-2013, 02:05 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jared
Trailer: 1984 19' scamp
Kansas
Posts: 1,610
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
There seems to be a preference among some posters here for bolted-on axles.
What is seen as the advantage to bolting the axle to the frame?
I would prefer welding and see it as more stable,less expensive, and easier to swap-out after more than a quarter century of use.
I do have a MIG, a grinder, and a box of cut-off wheels, but then... every job requires the right tools.
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I have a welder, torch, plasma cutter, cutoff tool, and several other things…none of which do me the slightest bit of good if a bad bearing spins and welds itself to the spindle along the road.
There's no way welding is easier to swap out. It took several hours to get the axle off. I could have this one off in 5 minutes.
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08-27-2013, 02:09 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stevebaz
Cutting out an axle and welding in a new one your going to have to get everything much higher up. so its more work. If your 45 years old and cutting in and welding in a new axle it isnt too big a deal job wise. But doing the same thing 25 years later is a big deal at that age and getting someone to help you replace a bolted in axle is much easier. I dont know about you but the kids and young adults these days are not as cross trained and handy as the older folks were at the same age years ago. They dont seem to mind paying for everything that they should have learned to do. There is alot less talent to draw from.
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Sage commentary, which would certainly apply to the second axle replacement... However, adding bolt-on brackets is about equivalent to a weld-on application.
Would you expect to do this more than once?
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08-27-2013, 02:09 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jared
Trailer: 1984 19' scamp
Kansas
Posts: 1,610
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinh
...One label which is read on a frame of 18 wheeler manufacturing...DO NOT WELD ON THE FRAME.....If you pay attention to heavy truck chassis assembly, I bet a few welds would be found...It must have a...reason.....Just my input...
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That's due to heat treating. We aren't dealing with 180,000 psi frame rails on our campers. Besides, plenty of people have cut and stretched them (raises hand) with no issues.
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08-27-2013, 02:30 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared J
I have a welder, torch, plasma cutter, cutoff tool, and several other things…none of which do me the slightest bit of good if a bad bearing spins and welds itself to the spindle along the road.
There's no way welding is easier to swap out. It took several hours to get the axle off. I could have this one off in 5 minutes.
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WOW! You actually carry a spare axle?
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08-27-2013, 03:14 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jared
Trailer: 1984 19' scamp
Kansas
Posts: 1,610
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
WOW! You actually carry a spare axle?
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No, but I can get the old one off and fixed, or have another one made like it at the next town. Been there, done that.
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08-27-2013, 04:12 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Trillium 2010
Posts: 5,185
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Quote:
Assuming the bolt-on brackets are already installed?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
Sage commentary, which would certainly apply to the second axle replacement... However, adding bolt-on brackets is about equivalent to a weld-on application.
Would you expect to do this more than once?
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That's only the case if the manufacturer did not follow Dexters installation procedure which "recommends" the brackets. Not following the recommended installation procedure is also grounds for not honoring the warranty.
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08-27-2013, 04:47 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by P. Raz
That's only the case if the manufacturer did not follow Dexters installation procedure which "recommends" the brackets. Not following the recommended installation procedure is also grounds for not honoring the warranty.
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Why then does Dexter want to know which way you plan to install when ordering? Why not "require" instead of "recommend" the brackets.
Never let a warranty stand in the way of improvements.
I have not said that bolt-on brackets are bad at all.I just wondered what all the fuss was about...Still wondering
Appears to be more or less a distinction without a difference.
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