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Old 08-22-2012, 11:07 PM   #1
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What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

Loaded trailer weight of front trailer 6500 lbs. Loaded trailer weight of rear trailer 650 lbs. Tongue length of rear trailer 10 ft. Body length of rear trailer 8 ft. Second hitch ball located under front trailer 3 ft forward of rear bumper. Brakes on both trailers. Overall length 60 ft 4 inches. What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:26 PM   #2
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In Alberta, (Canada) this would be fine in the eyes of the traffic cop. In fact, I saw a uber mondo grande fifth wheel trailer towing a 2/3 as large cargo trailer.

I'd hate to try to back it up.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:40 PM   #3
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Wouldn't make it past a traffic cop in BC - only one trailer can be towed at a time.
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I'd pay money to see him back it up.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:49 PM   #5
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I'd pay money to see him back it up.
And then parallel park it.....
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And then parallel park it.....
Dont forget he has to do it with only 6" to spare
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:22 PM   #7
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I'd pay money to see him back it up.
I've seen guys who can do that - and back the whole thing around a corner, too! (I'm not one of the ones who can, but....)
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In Alberta, (Canada) this would be fine in the eyes of the traffic cop. In fact, I saw a uber mondo grande fifth wheel trailer towing a 2/3 as large cargo trailer.
Actually David it would not make it past a cop in Alberta either. Just read here on page 10 that in Alberta a second trailer can only be towed behind the first if the first one is a fifth wheel - which is what you saw.
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Every province and state seems to have differing rules about 2nd trailers etc. So it would be a real minefield to travel with that setup.

But what gets me is the second ball located 3' forward of the bumper. Presumably that means under the 1st trailer. If so, what would happen when the back end of the trailer went downwards? Wouldn't the tongue of the rear trailer get bent?
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Wouldn't the tongue of the rear trailer get bent?
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Traffic laws you can break. The laws of physics are more difficult to flaunt.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:26 PM   #11
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Ok here is the story: I thought about this for a couple of years and finally decided to go ahead and do it. I had a couple of motivators. One is I want to be able to transport a light aluminum flat bottom boat as well as the camper for fishing trips. This trailer will accomodate that. The other is I had been planing a trip to the Bonneville Salt Flats for the annual speed trials and I wanted to transport some items to have for that, namely an EasyUp canopy, an elevated observing seat (hunting stand) the large cooler and some lawn chairs. The small trailer serves several purposes. One is I can transport the ATV on it. The other is it is light enough that I can also pull it with the ATV. At Bonneville you camp approximately 10 miles from the track. They do not let you stay out on the salt at night. I did not want to drive my truck or pull my camper out onto the salt. There are moist areas and the salt flies up and coats the undercarriage of vehicles. It is virtually impossible to get it all off. There is also a possibility of getting stuck. The Salt Flats is after all a lake bed with a crust of salt over deep soft mud. A lot of people do drive a lot of expensive vehicles out there but I am not one of them. I rode the ATV and pulled the trailer with the above mentioned items each day. You have to have some sort of sun shade out there.

I checked to be sure I was in compliance with the towing laws in each state I traveled through. I left Missouri on August 1st and traveled through Kansas and into Colorado. I camped in the mountains near Silverton, Colorado for a few days and rode the Alpine Loop trails with the ATV. I then traveled out of Colorado and accross Utah to Bonneville. I arrived there on August 8th. I left on August 17th and traveled to the Rye Patch Lake in western Nevada. I was preparing to stay there for three or four days when my portable generator caught fire and damaged my ATV and truck. I decided to cut my trip short and return to Missouri. I took I-80 from there back accross Nevada, Utah, Wyoming and Nebraska then down through the corner of Iowa and into Missouri. The total trip was 3550 miles. My regular highway speed was 62 mph. When I went through Salt Lake City the first time traffic was heavy and moving at 78 mph in all lanes. Trying to conflict with that by going 15 mph slower would have resulted in an accident. The double trailer setup pulled great, absolutely no problems or fishtailing. The reason for the 10 ft tongue in the second trailer is to stabilize it. The reason for setting the ball under the trailer 3 feet is to get it closer to the front trailer axles to reduce the overhang and further stabilize the rig. My engineering proved correct. And just so everyone knows I can back the rig.

Pictures below are Wolf Creek Pass, Maggie Gulch Forest Service Campground in Colorado, My observing setup at Bonneville and a race car at Bonneville.
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Bruce,

When we had a cargo plat form on our Safari mini van, it dragged several times going in and out of gas stations. How did you avoid bending the tongue on the rear trailer?
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in Minnesota not allowed
MINNESOTA: Maximum RV width 102 in.; maximum motorhome length 45 ft; maximum trailer length 45 ft; maximum RV height 13.5 ft.; maximum lengths for two/three combination 75/70 ft. (Three-vehicle combo must be a fifth-wheel trailer, maximum length 28 ft. + watercraft, ATV, motorcycle or snowmobile). Riding allowed in travel trailers, fifth-wheel trailers and truck campers. RV Safety Requirements: Over 3,000 lbs.: trailer brakes, two safety chains, glass mirror and hitch to safety stands. Over 6,000 lbs.: breakaway switch also. Driving Laws: Headlights on during rain, sleet, snow or hail. Right turn on red is allowed, unless posted otherwise. At least two riders required for carpool lane. Mobile police scanners not allowed. More Information: Minnesota State Patrol, 444 Cedar St., Suite 130, St. Paul MN 55101-5130. Emergency number: 911.
In Missouri maybe depending on length
MISSOURI: Maximum RV width 102 in.; maximum motorhome length 45 ft.; maximum trailer length not specified; maximum RV height 14 ft. (if more than 10 miles from designated highway, width 8 ft.; height 13.5 ft.); maximum combined length for two- or three- vehicle combination 65 ft. (55 ft. if more than 10 miles from a primary or designated highway). Riding allowed in truck campers, fifth-wheel trailers and travel trailers. Overnight parking in rest areas is allowed where posted. RV Safety Requirements: Trailers over 3,000 lbs.: trailer brakes and breakaway switch recommended. Safety chains required for bumper hitches. Driving Laws: Right turn on red allowed unless posted otherwise. Wipers on/headlights on recommended. More Information: Missouri State Highway Patrol, Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Div., P.O. Box 568, Jefferson City MO 65102; (573) 526-6128. Road/highway information (800) 222-6400. Emergency number: 911 or *55 on cellular phones.
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A quick look here suggest that the set up would be very restrictive as to where you can legally take it.

In Canada it appears it would only be legal in one Province and in the US it looks like there are about 21 States that would not allow it - assuming the website is correct in its info that is & my fast count was correct.
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