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Old 10-26-2013, 10:58 AM   #15
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I suggest you dig deeper than just a make or model for tow ratings. My Ranger has about 4 pages of charts for tow ratings for the model year. Things such as engine, transmission, body style, rear end, tire size, options and brakes all influence the rating. The fine print also state a maximum frontal area for the trailer.

Sounds like you are picking your trailer then the tow vehicle. Don't use the weights listed on the spec sheets of older trailers, they were not accurate. You are better off to find your trailer here Trailer Weights in the Real World or better yet, weigh your trailer and tongue loaded for camping to get your actual weights.
Then delve into the owners manuals for the vehicles you are considering to tow with.
I might tow a trailer home from somewhere nearby if it was borderline to the recommendations but I would not use it to tow on a regular basis. Once asked a tranny guy about towing a boat 1500 lbs over my limit. Answer was, OK to pull from water and park in lot but would not dream of bringing it out on the road.
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:05 AM   #16
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Yes Bob.... At the Toronto RV show a few years ago I had a chance to ask the towing specialist what (from his his experience of towing 1,000's of various types of TV/trailer combinations) his best performing TV. His answer was a Jaguar sport sedan. There ya go.
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I looked over a wide range of specs and could not find any towing specs from Jaguar that provided towing capacities for North American vehicles.

However, I did come across this link for european versions:
Towing Capacity*Jaguar*S-Type

Showing a range of about 1500 to 4000 lbs for different Jaguars.

That said, the Airstream his is shown towing appears to demonstrate that manufacturers specifications are only seen as suggestions.

I'm not saying that a Jaguar wouldn't make a decent tow vehicle, but the "Best Ever" must only mean that, in towing 1000's of combinations, that he likes his best and to H### with specifications and liabilities.

Maybe we should stick with what can be called "Legal" recommendations.

When I attended my first Wally Bynum Airstream gathering in Ohio in about 1978, the arguement was still if Cadillacs or Buicks were better TV's. We were sorta looked down upon for towing with a 1973 Blazer 4x4. Go Figure.
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:18 AM   #17
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The Euro / North American discussion has gone back and forth numerous times, with no resolution. There are many differing opinions as to the ratings. It will be best if this thread focuses on providing input as to tow vehicle choices rather than opening an old worn out argument.
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:33 PM   #18
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Barbara,

I don't know how far you are from Can-AM RV in London, Ontario but they are well known for setting up tow vehicles. I've met numerous Canadians who use them for their tow vehicle set up and are extremely happy.

You can visit their Web page and find lots of towing information.
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Old 10-26-2013, 02:44 PM   #19
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I will add one argument on Euro vs NAR tow ratings.

On my car the Federally Mandated "5 MPH" bumper is removed to install the factory trailer hitch. In my case it seams one factor is different impact rating criterion.

BTW the "5 MPH" bumper is a standard to limit damages to your vehicle in slow impacts, such as backing into a light pole in the mall parking lot. The rating requirement was also 2.5 MPH - not sure if it was lower to or raised from this.

I don't know what your trailer weighs and how big it is. First question you need to answer is "do you feel ok staying in the right lane and about 60 MPH? And do you mind slowing down for major hills? Almost opposite of that will be fuel mileage and maintenance cost - going faster and fancier/comfy tug usually means higher on both. Perceived safety is third consideration - is a bigger "overkill" truck going to make you feel safer or a SUV with electronic nannies that will help save your butt?

I have heard good things about the new Ford Escape and the VW Tiguan. And I mirror comments made by Norm, as I have a Golf and get about 28MPG towing and 48MPG running around. Just make sure YOU are comfortable with your choice.

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Old 10-26-2013, 02:51 PM   #20
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Just curious, what TV has to have it's bumper removed to install a hitch???

And what's NAR
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Old 10-26-2013, 04:25 PM   #21
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Just curious, what TV has to have it's bumper removed to install a hitch??? And what's NAR
I know VW and Audi do it on some(all?) car models. Though the Touareg and Tiguan SUVs reengineer it somehow to allow towing. I don't know about other makes.

I'm talking about the bar behind the plastic bumper cover, that is mounts on "shocks" on some models and takes the brunt of an impact. On my car the mounting plate blocks access to the "frame" where the hitch bolts to the car.

NAR = North American Region. Just a short hand

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My husband and I are looking for the best tow vehicle for a Trillium 4500 (that we haven't even purchased yet....we're on the hunt). Have scrolled through a bunch of postings but please excuse me if I missed a previous discussion on the topic. Why are North American towing capacities so different from those in Europe for the same model car? Doesn't make sense to us at all. A car that is listed as Towing Not Recommended in US/Canada might have a 3000 lb towing capacity in the UK. What gives?
Does the UK have any serious mountains to deal with towing (and braking?)

I've towed my 17LD with a 1600 pound John Deere tractor on flat ground and it does great!

Actually it's probably a lot fewer lawyers to deal with in the UK........

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Old 10-29-2013, 04:35 PM   #23
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Many thanks to all for their input to my question about tow vehicles. We bought a 1977 Trillium 4500 last weekend and the vender delivered to our home with his tow vehicle, a Honda CRV. He's been on several long trips with the CRV and says he thinks a bigger vehicle might have been a better idea. We're looking for a used vehicle, with as good fuel economy as we can find, and still have the power needed to feel safe. The trailer has electric brakes which I understand is a good thing. We've been considering several vehicles: Nissan Pathfinder, Nissan Murano, Subaru Outback, Ford Escape, Hyundai Santa Fe. Don't want a pick-up as this will be my hubbie's winter vehicle (he rides his bike to work April through October). Want to be able to travel through hilly terrain if it presents itself on a trip. I'll post a photo of both trailer and vehicle once we get there. This forum has already been invaluable to us for info. Look forward to years of conversations with other members!
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Nissan Pathfinder, Nissan Murano, Subaru Outback, Ford Escape, Hyundai Santa Fe.
Any of these will work for you. The CRV's are very capable too.. (ask Norm!)

The key is getting the set up right.
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Barbara, if you did have a 4 x 4 pick-up, your husband could put his bike in the bed while you travel with the trailer.
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Next Question to answer is how much does it weigh when ready to go?????

We pulled a 13' Scamp w/bath and a 13' Lil' Bigfoot with our 2008 CRV without problems.
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BarbieB, I would not take the vendor's comments too seriously as he may be used to big trucks. You need to look at the numbers for the vehicles that interest you and figure out where you will be for towing. GVWR, GCWR, max allowed weight in the trailer, towing capacity of vehicle. See that you do not exceed any of them.

I would also look at Consumer Reports, especially the reliability charts.

You are in good shape as you have the trailer and now you can get the appropriate tow vehicle. (Instead of having a vehicle already as many do and wanting to tow a trailer that is too much for it.) Just make sure the numbers work before you buy.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:17 AM   #28
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Yes Bob.... At the Toronto RV show a few years ago I had a chance to ask the towing specialist what (from his his experience of towing 1,000's of various types of TV/trailer combinations) his best performing TV. His answer was a Jaguar sport sedan.
Seeing this photo of a Jaguar sedan pulling an Airstream made us think about a BMW 325 xi Sportwagon that we saw advertised recently. Lovely car, great price - UK rated to haul 4400 lbs (!!!!) but only 1500 lbs in North American. As a German-manufactured vehicle, I'm sure this is the same car, same engine, same transmission, etc. Maybe we'll give it a try! At the worse, we'll end up with a beautiful family wagon!
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