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Old 06-07-2011, 03:57 PM   #15
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We towed our EggCamper for two years with our little S-10 pickup which had a tow rating of 5600 pounds, (it had the big V-6). It did fine as long as the hills were only moderately steep, but couldn't keep up with the traffic on steeper hills. I can't stand to block traffic, (although I won't go faster than the 65mph speed rating of the camper tires). Also, since the S-10 only had a four-speed transmission, down-shifting made it really roar and cut into the gas mileage. Anyway, since the S-10 was getting a bit old, I decided to upgrade to a more powerful truck, a Tundra with the new 4.6 L engine with a tow package. It was a great decision, the six-speed transmission does have to down-shift but the extra noise of going from sixth to fifth, or even to fourth, is hardly noticeable, and the towing gas mileage is about the same as with the S-10; plus, the big Tundra is much more comfortable for long trips. Long story short, unless you don't mind having a string of cars behind you on hills, don't skimp on the tow rating.

Please do check with Consumer Reports (etc.), about the average repair record and recommendations for any vehicle you are thinking about purchasing. Their annual "Ratings and Pricing Guide" is only a few bucks, but is well worth it. I am constantly seeing people on this forum recommending tow vehicles that Consumer Reports rates as "much worse than average" repair record, or otherwise "not recommended." I know they aren't perfect, but are a good place with which to balance anecdotal recommendations.

And one more thing, at long last tow ratings are finally starting to become standardized! Some vehicles, (such as our 2011 Tundra), have already started to use the new standard when reporting tow ratings. Tow Ratings Finally Pass the Sniff Test - The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) - Automobile Magazine

Oh, we also love our EggCamper. When we attended a fiberglass rally last year, the first thing almost everyone said upon entering our egg was "it's so spacious in here," or something similar. One person said "it's so roomy you could dance in here." Well, maybe not quite, but I'm 6' 4" and love not having to stoop over or dodge low-hanging obstacles. Oh, and I don't think Consumer Reports is recommending avoiding any Toyotas anymore because of the recalls, that problem seems to be long over.

as for me....I'll take a toyota or honda any day.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:42 PM   #16
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As far as cars, neither of those manufacturers offer a car with towing, as far as suv, the Rav4 was considered, but it has a low tow rating and the tow package was hard to order. The Honda Pilot was deemed too big. Then the earthquake hit and the plants shut down. Prices went up as supply went down, so I bought American.
Get a vehicle that can allow you some options vs being at the max all the time. I'd say a minimum of 350 tw and 3500 gvwr should get you thru most of the fiberglass campers here.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:06 PM   #17
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As far as cars, neither of those manufacturers offer a car with towing, as far as suv, the Rav4 was considered, but it has a low tow rating and the tow package was hard to order. The Honda Pilot was deemed too big. Then the earthquake hit and the plants shut down. Prices went up as supply went down, so I bought American.
Get a vehicle that can allow you some options vs being at the max all the time. I'd say a minimum of 350 tw and 3500 gvwr should get you thru most of the fiberglass campers here.
I bought the 2011 Honda Odyssey.......3500# tow rating.......BUT I do have to put the tow package on it. The amount of room in the vans today is just humungus........they are almost a small camper in themselves. I do believe the Odyssey is built in Alabama. Good to know that the 3500# will tow most fiberglass campers. I can use all the advice you can dish out!

I had a Jeep Wrangler Jim (2 of them).....though they are rated really low by consumer reports, they were the most fun vehicle I have ever owned. I should have never sold my last one. The only problem with the Wrangler is that it doesn't tow very much.

BTW Jim....it is so nice having a few people such as yourself on this site to help us newbies with all of our questions. It is very much appreciated!
Thank you!
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I bought the 2011 Honda Odyssey...
...they are almost a small camper in themselves.
Do you tow with a Honda Odyssey? The seats make nice camp furniture.

Extra Bedroom I can sleep 2 in the trailer and 2 in the car.

I have camped in my Odyssey by itself as well as alongside the Fiber Stream trailer as an extra sleeping space when there are 4 adults in my group.
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Do you tow with a Honda Odyssey? The seats make nice camp furniture.

Extra Bedroom I can sleep 2 in the trailer and 2 in the car.

I have camped in my Odyssey by itself as well as alongside the Fiber Stream trailer as an extra sleeping space when there are 4 adults in my group.
This is our 2nd Odyssey....loved the first and love this one also.
And yes, we are figuring using the Odyssey when we have a party of 4 also. There is so much room to hang clothes and whatever in the Odyssey. Very smooth driving and I, being 6'5".....find the seats VERY comfortable. I don't seem to ever get tired of driving the Honda Vans.

I also have a Toyota Tacoma that we could use for towing, but the Odyssey is so much nicer inside.....and quiet. That's important for my wife and I. So nice not to have to shout over the road noise.
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I bought the 2011 Honda Odyssey.......3500# tow rating.......BUT I do have to put the tow package on it. The amount of room in the vans today is just humungus........they are almost a small camper in themselves. I do believe the Odyssey is built in Alabama. Good to know that the 3500# will tow most fiberglass campers. I can use all the advice you can dish out!
Ditto for our Toyota Sienna... quiet, comfortable, accessible space.
I think all the hype over Toyota recalls was way out of proportion. I suspect that government owning GM may have had something to do with the tempest in a teapot.

On the disappointing down side, our Sienna XLE came with a tow package, which was nothing more than an engine oil cooler. There was no additional wiring for a brake controller/lights, and no transmission cooler. I added both. A note on the transmission cooler: after adding the transmission cooler, the fluid needed to be topped off. This had to be done at the dealer because the newer transmissions are sealed... no dipstick, no fill tube. It cost me another $99 to have about a pint of the special fluid added. Ouch! With that said, I wouldn't tow without the added cooling for the transmission.

And, in spite of this down side, I'd still go with a Toyota or Honda.

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Ditto for our Toyota Sienna... quiet, comfortable, accessible space.
I think all the hype over Toyota recalls was way out of proportion. I suspect that government owning GM may have had something to do with the tempest in a teapot.

On the disappointing down side, our Sienna XLE came with a tow package, which was nothing more than an engine oil cooler. There was no additional wiring for a brake controller/lights, and no transmission cooler. I added both. A note on the transmission cooler: after adding the transmission cooler, the fluid needed to be topped off. This had to be done at the dealer because the newer transmissions are sealed... no dipstick, no fill tube. It cost me another $99 to have about a pint of the special fluid added. Ouch! With that said, I wouldn't tow without the added cooling for the transmission.

And, in spite of this down side, I'd still go with a Toyota or Honda.

Ron
I couldn't have said it better! And yes.....I have a Honda Tech that is my friend and does it on the side.....so I'll have him do all the work. The best thing about it besides price is he's the best mechanic anyone could ever ask for.
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Sometimes I think a good mechanic that is trustworthy is better to have than a good doctor or dentist!!
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Sometimes I think a good mechanic that is trustworthy is better to have than a good doctor or dentist!!
Boy isn't that the truth!!!! I dread going somewhere no knowing what to expect.

BTW Jim.....I am sending you a PM.
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On the disappointing down side, our Sienna XLE came with a tow package, which was nothing more than an engine oil cooler. There was no additional wiring for a brake controller/lights, and no transmission cooler. I added both. A note on the transmission cooler: after adding the transmission cooler, the fluid needed to be topped off. This had to be done at the dealer because the newer transmissions are sealed... no dipstick, no fill tube. It cost me another $99 to have about a pint of the special fluid added. Ouch! With that said, I wouldn't tow without the added cooling for the transmission.
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Wow, the $600 tow package on our Tundra came with class III tow hitch receiver, trailer brake controller prewire, special rear axle ratio, TOW/HAUL mode switch (basically different shift points), transmission fluid temperature gauge, supplemental transmission cooler, engine oil cooler, 7-pin and 4-pin connectors, and heavy-duty alternator and battery. Oh, and it has built-in sway control, which isn't part of the package, but standard on all Tundras.
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$600 tow package on our Tundra.
My 2010 4Runner had pretty much the same tow package as your Tundra. All I did was plug in the brake controller and hook up the EggCamper. Very nice. The Sienna works well with the EggCamper. I just wish they'd put a real tow package together for it. What was there was standard on the XLE, and the rest of the package probably came close to your $600 package. The difference was that I did the work. <_<
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Somewhere in this thread it was stated:

"You can pretty much ignore most US towing specs for foreign cars. The manufacturer does testing and comes up with a rating. Ironically, a lot of the towing testing on euro and Japanese cars is done in the US! In most foreign markets, people want to tow within car, not a truck. In the US, trucks and SUVs are FAR more profitable, so they lower (or completely drop) the tow rating on cars."

You ignore your owner's manual at your peril. After the accident, the plaintiff's lawyer will ask you, "Can you show us the engineering degree that qualifies you to ignore the manufacturer's stated capacities of your vehicle?"

There are plenty of discussions in this blog about not towing over rated capacity. It is about legal results, not ability of the TV. It is also about the ability of the TV to handle the weight, not just get it moving. I have seen a trailer driving the TV. Not a pretty sight.
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Roger,

Weight perspective.

I've always wondered about the significance of the weight of the tow vehicle compared to the weight of the trailer.

Most trucks are rated to tow more than the truck's weight. Everyone seems to accept that fact as being OK.

My Honda, though lighter than a truck, weighs significantly more than my trailer.

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Somewhere in this thread it was stated:

"You can pretty much ignore most US towing specs for foreign cars. The manufacturer does testing and comes up with a rating. Ironically, a lot of the towing testing on euro and Japanese cars is done in the US! In most foreign markets, people want to tow within car, not a truck. In the US, trucks and SUVs are FAR more profitable, so they lower (or completely drop) the tow rating on cars."

You ignore your owner's manual at your peril. After the accident, the plaintiff's lawyer will ask you, "Can you show us the engineering degree that qualifies you to ignore the manufacturer's stated capacities of your vehicle?"

There are plenty of discussions in this blog about not towing over rated capacity. It is about legal results, not ability of the TV. It is also about the ability of the TV to handle the weight, not just get it moving. I have seen a trailer driving the TV. Not a pretty sight.
I understand the sentiment... But what happens in court rarely has anything to do with what happened in real life. Follow all of the towing laws in my state. They don't refer to the vehicle's owners manual at all. The owners manual has more to do with maintaining your warranty than with legal issues.
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