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Old 01-30-2008, 10:17 PM   #15
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And I like my Dodge Dakota Redneck Mobile.
You get the vehicle that you want and we'll tear it apart later.
Try the Astro Cargo Van you can't beat that 5000 lb. towing capacity!!!

I put a bed in the back of the van that is removable..underneath go the totes for extra STUFF!! Great place for the kids or dogs to sleep!!

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Old 01-31-2008, 06:44 PM   #16
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I really like my Astro for heavy hauling but ever think that they get good gas mileage. We use it like a truck or a bus but when possible we take one of our cars that get 35-40 mpg. For a work veicle, the Astro is tough to beat.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:30 AM   #17
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I had a GMC Safari, the Astro's twin, that I loved for towing. Unfortunately, they don't make either of them any more. The used market is still plentiful however.
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:36 AM   #18
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Or a 2004 - present Toyota Sienna. Same advantages as the Honda Odyssey but no issues with the transmission.

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You will not make a mistake with either a Toyota or a Honda. They are one of the few good investments when it comes to a vehicle.
I will bet that even with the early trans problems of the Odyessy it is less of a problem than the bad trans in the Chrysler vans. How manyof you chrysler owners have had to replace your transmission at around 65000 miles with no help from the manufacturer?
2 of my old Toyota pickups are still in service one has over 500,000 miles on it and the other one has about 450,000 miles on it. The one with about 450000 miles on it I gave it to my oldest grandson as a 17th birthday present and he has not killed it yet. They are still on the original engines and have had only routine service on them. My 89 Camry had over 250000 miles on it when I sold it and bought a new Accord. It was running fine. I just got tired of it. You cannot kill a Toyota or a Honda. You may get tired of them because you have them to long.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:39 PM   #19
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has anyone ever heard of towing with a toyota cressida? They seem to have enough power.

I'm not sure why you mentioned a Toyota Cressida, perhaps you already own one.

My late father and mother towed a 16ft Scamp many miles with a Toyota Cressida. It was well up to it with a sturdy in-line six cylinder engine and rear wheel drive. He never had a problem with the running gear, to my knowledge. The only complaint I remember was the cost of an electrical switch that locked out the starter when the transmission was not selected to Park.

As he was getting up in years when he owned that car, I would "go for a ride" with him a couple of times a year, just to be sure his driving ability was still OK. The car seemed to be in excellent shape even though it had a lot of miles on it.

He finally traded it off for a Lincoln Town Car when my mother was wheel-chair bound due to a stroke. The wheel chair was too large for the trunk of the Cressida.

I would consider a Toyota Cressida an excellent choice for a 13 or 16 ft Scamp.
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Old 02-18-2008, 07:36 AM   #20
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Cyndi,

I really have to vote for the Astro as well when it comes to a really competent lower-cost tow vehicle. I would only buy the AWD version. I had a '98 and still regret trading it. They are wonderful tow vehicles, relatively trouble-free, have lots of room, and are easy to drive. They're also well appointed and are comfortable. The AWD version is also an incredible bad-weather car. The 2WD vans are a little squirrelly in snow.

Here's a relatively low-mileage example of a decked out '02 Astro AWD conversion van for about $11k. Here's an '03 AWD standard Astro van with 83k miles also for about $11k compared to an '03 Odyssey with 70k miles for $14k. I'd guess you could probably negotiate a better price yet on the used Chevys than on the Hondas.
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:41 PM   #21
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There's just way too many choices. Find what you think you'd like to drive, at the price you want to pay. Then check to see if it's capable of towing your trailer. You'll need to weigh your trailer and tongue weight, fully loaded, ready to hit the road. Then add a bit of fudge (that is add a bit more for stuff you might be adding to trailer at some later date). Now you can compare those weights with the specs of vehicle of your dreams.
It is so overwhelming. I WANT to drive a toyota tacoma but $ wise not likely (paying these #*&$#@ canadian prices and all) Plus they dont lose a lot of resale value, which is good but a hinderence now. Buying from US is better but a bit of a hassle for me now. I will figure it out. how do i weigh the trailer and tongue weight? I'm assuming a scale, but dont know how to get it there with no tow vehicle. I'm getting impatient and just feel like going for it as i would love to take it out easter long w/e. It has new tires and is ready to go, just not polished and painted yet. The card i have says it weighs 1750lbs gtw.
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:46 PM   #22
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Hi Cindy
What size of Boler trailer do you have, and what does it list for it's weight?
sorry for late reply, i have been un boler focused for a while. I have a 13ft 1750lb gtw. I am looking for a vehicle with more focus now, starting with reading these reply posts.
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:55 PM   #23
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Cyndi, we towed our 13ft Trillium with a 1997 Mazda B 4000 (V-6 with auto), but IF you come to our May gathering in Ft.Langley you'll see a whole slew of other choices.....
How is the mazda on fuel? What size tank? I am thinking of a b series (only b/c i cant afford the dream toyota tacoma) Why the 4000? What about the 2500 0r 3000? I am also not much of a car brain- i keep it on a need to know basis so a lot of the car terms weights specs dont mean a lot to me right off the top. All i want to do is go camping. I redecorated a full year before it came time to find a tow vehicle (design priorities, i suspect i'm not the first to do this) I will definately pop out to langley, hopefully will be able to come with trailer. Ideally it would be nice to get out easter w/e but will have to move fast if that's to happen.
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:03 PM   #24
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Each year Trailer Life magazine posts a guide as to how much new cars are rated to tow. Nowadays it's mostly just trucks and SUVs, as many small cars aren't rated to tow anything anymore.

I think they may have a list of older cars on their website.

Many people think you should use a vehicle with a separate frame (which many trucks and SUVs have), as some unit-bodied vehicles may not be sturdy enough for the demands of travel trailer towing.

Many small trailers have a GVWR of around 3,500 lbs, so you will probably be looking for something with a tow rating of that or higher. Higher ratings are important if you will tow in the mountains.

If you are thinking of a fiver, such as the beautiful Escape 5.0, or Scamp 19, you must also consider the payload of the truck. Fifth wheel trailers usually put a larger percentage (about twice as much) of the trailer weight on the tow vehicle. This can eat into how many other things you can take with you.

Then there's the matter of wheel base. The longer the better, up to a point. Too short can be dangerous.

Many people do tow successfully with a Mazda "B" (or its clone, the Ford Ranger) but ideally you should sit down and do the math as it applies to your particular situation.
Thanks for that tip, i will check their website. The boler i have is 1750lb gtw. It looks like i have to learn more than i want to know about cars
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:40 PM   #25
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Cyndi, first the weight of your trailer listed on the spec sheet was "dry", probably as in no cushions, no propane tank, and everything else that is removable, removed. It may not have included cupboard doors and plumbing, and may have just been the frame, running gear and shell. There's no standard for "dry weight" so unless you had inside scoop from Boler, there's no way to know exactly what was in the trailer when it was weighed.

Bigfoot now sends their trailers out the door with an "as equipped" weight on each coach. I have to applaud them for that. I don't know how long they've been doing it, but it had an "as equipped" weight on my '04 model so they've done it at least that long. I know that Scamp will tell you what they believe their "as equipped" weight is on any given unit as well.

In any event, you don't list the size of your '76 Boler, but assuming it's a 13', it won't weigh over 1,400 lbs "as equipped" so that's a fairly safe number to work with when calculating weights. If it's a Boler 17, that's a whole different ballgame. Assume that your Boler 13 will weigh 2,000 lbs loaded and ready to tow. After you're all set up, if you weigh less than that, so much the better!

Now as far as your tow vehicle, there are several numbers that are important and they are all of equal importance. If you exceed any of them, you're asking for trouble. First of course is the tow rating of the vehicle. Second is the hitch weight rating of the vehicle, and last is the combined gross vehicle weight rating which includes your tow vehicle's weight, your trailer's curb weight, and all of your stuff, passengers, liquids, and pets.

Make certain that whatever you choose to tow with has numbers of sufficient capacity all the way around to accommodate your situation and load.

Good luck!

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Yes, it is a 13 ft, and it says it weighs 1750lbs. Thanks, i will consider those #'s when shopping. Where do you get the hitch weight rating? i dont recall seeing that in the specs that i have seen.
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:05 AM   #26
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Here's an old thread with many trailer weights including a '72 Boler 13 footer:

How Much Do You Weigh

Lance reports his Boler weighs 1750 pounds in travel trim. Lots of other 13 footers. I'm assuming you have a 13 but your profile doesn't specify. And we don't know what differences in equipment there are between yours and Lance's Boler. You could very easily be at 2000 pounds as Roger's working estimate recommends.

There is no right answer to what to tow with but you'll get lots of points to consider from the group.
Thanks, i read that thread. Now i'm more overwhelmed. I hadnt thought of the water etc. Actually i havent even figured where the water goes, or if i even have a water tank. Hmmmm. All this time i was assuming that boler camping would put an end to the work of camping yet it seems like it has just transfered the work to another area. I will continue the optimism (denial?) and believe that the actual camping trip will be easy, fun, and minimal effort.
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:09 AM   #27
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Buy a used 2005 or newer Honda Odyssey. Get lots of room to store stuff inside unlike a pickup and without the stigma of being an SUV!
Thanks, i will look into that- i love hondas. Why 05 or newer? Were there problems with the earlier models?
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:26 AM   #28
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Cyndi,

I really have to vote for the Astro as well when it comes to a really competent lower-cost tow vehicle. I would only buy the AWD version. I had a '98 and still regret trading it. They are wonderful tow vehicles, relatively trouble-free, have lots of room, and are easy to drive. They're also well appointed and are comfortable. The AWD version is also an incredible bad-weather car. The 2WD vans are a little squirrelly in snow.

Here's a relatively low-mileage example of a decked out '02 Astro AWD conversion van for about $11k. Here's an '03 AWD standard Astro van with 83k miles also for about $11k compared to an '03 Odyssey with 70k miles for $14k. I'd guess you could probably negotiate a better price yet on the used Chevys than on the Hondas.
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Thanks. i will look around. I hadnt considered a van until tonight. I am still more prone to a honda or toyota than a chevy, but i will check into the astro.
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