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Old 07-22-2015, 10:54 AM   #43
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Reality eventually wins, unfortunately possibly only after the repair bills.
Repair bills, excessive rust, and $130. to fill the gas tank. My BIL hates the thing but keeps smiling. He knows the drill. Happy wife, Happy Life.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:08 AM   #44
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Happy to compare my "Domestic's" reliability to any "top rated Import".
Wow, books have been written about this topic Floyd.

What can I say... There are some good and bad products on both sides. I just feel many off shore brands have an edge in many ways.

PS... We have an Infiniti and really like it but the experience with the dealer was not good. If we bought another Infiniti it would not be from an Infiniti dealership. We also have a good independent mechanic that takes care of any service issues.
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We seem to be confusing two issues here. One is domestic versus imported (i.e., Toyota vs. Chevrolet). The other is premium versus mass-market (i.e., Cadillac vs. Chevrolet).

The former distinction has become so muddled by globalization of manufacturing and supply that we could argue all day about what constitutes a "domestic" vehicle. The latter is a matter of personal taste and resources and, yes, some issues of "status." In some cases there are real differences of substance; in others, it's a matter of leather and fancy electronics. That argument, too, could go on all day. I'm a mass-market guy, but I try not to begrudge others their choices.

Some years ago we purchased a lightly-used Toyota Sienna (base model, no bells and whistles) from a Lexus dealer. I will have to say it was the most pleasant sales experience I have had ever had, and the price of the vehicle was very competitive. Downside is that now every time something goes wrong with one of our cars, my wife says, "Let's go buy a Lexus."

In my opinion, blind loyalty to any manufacturer is unwise. All of them make some good vehicles and some duds. When we purchased a new tow vehicle in 2013, our requirements were three rows and a V6. We considered minivans and crossovers from Ford and GM as well as Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and Mazda. This time around, Honda gave us the most for the best price. Next time is hopefully many years away, but I will start with a clean slate. Of course, my wife will still want a Lexus!
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:59 AM   #46
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Thanks to all for the advice. As it turns out I found a 2012 Explorer 4WD with factory tow package. Vehicle has 10K miles and has the V6 for power. Picking it up on Friday.
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Here some free advice on buying late model "Used" vehicles.
Most new cars as sold with 5-6 year payment contract and, a least according to BofA, about 80% are kept until the loan is paid off.


However, leases often only run from 2-3 years and then they are traded in. Within the lease period many lessee's see no responsibility to do more than put in gas and drive. Sooo, what I am saying is that a huge number of late model used vehicles are lease returns or, horror of horrors, repossessed vehicles, and may have received only minimal routine maintenance. In short, be very careful when buying vehicles in that group.


A major U.S. company I used to work for told us to only do oil changes on company lease cars every 12,000 miles because they knew that they would still last until trade in at 60,000 miles, which was usually within 24-30 months of new.


In many states the title and/or the selling dealer are required to indicate that a vehicle was a lease return or a repo, but you may want to ask to be sure.
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Wow, books have been written about this topic Floyd.

What can I say... There are some good and bad products on both sides. I just feel many off shore brands have an edge in many ways.

PS... We have an Infiniti and really like it but the experience with the dealer was not good. If we bought another Infiniti it would not be from an Infiniti dealership. We also have a good independent mechanic that takes care of any service issues.
I owned a Datsun once (your Infiniti's ancestor)... proves your point(good and bad on both sides)!
When it comes to the automotive world I have turned a lot more wrenches than pages... and likely more wrenches than have the automotive writers.
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So.... take a look at the roster of your favorite baseball team!
Like ball sports...brand loyalty for its own sake will not be affected by such an article, even if the simplistic argument were valid.
It is also apparently irrelevant since it is Toyota which now seems to enjoy the most brand loyalty more or less based on the perceived superiority of Japanese quality.
OHHH the irony!
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A major U.S. company I used to work for told us to only do oil changes on company lease cars every 12,000 miles because they knew that they would still last until trade in at 60,000 miles, which was usually within 24-30 months of new.

In many states the title and/or the selling dealer are required to indicate that a vehicle was a lease return or a repo, but you may want to ask to be sure.
The Major US Company was rolling the dice on that one - chances are very good that the lease terms included following the service schedule in the manual. The moral of that story is don't buy a lease return from a fleet buy, but one that was a private vehicle. There are also high mileage penalties in leases.

I bought a lease return 1994 Geo Prism LSI (rebadged Toyota Corolla LX) in 1996 with 29,000 miles on it. I proceeded to drive it, mostly in Pennsylvania, in all weathers for the next nine years and put ~187,000 miles on it including daily commuting, interstate trips, and a stint delivering pizza. When an oncoming Jeep totaled it at 216,000 miles it still had the original struts and clutch, and used exactly as much oil as it had at 50,000 miles (about one quart between 8000 mile changes with WalMart synthetic, or half a quart if using anybody else's). My total outlay in unscheduled maintenance was a new radiator (PA road salt), clutch master cylinder, and alternator.

I've had several relatives buy retired rental cars (one from Avis, two from Hertz) - they've all done very well, too.

That said, for a TV, a lease return or ex-fleet car might not be ideal. It probably won't have the options you'd choose for towing, so you either have to option up yourself or live without.
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In the lease agreement it only referred to warranty claims needing the maintenance documented. In at least one case, that of a valve guide problem, the company just ate the cost of the repair. The other consideration is the cost of taking a sales or technical rep off the street for even 4 hours for a service. It all added up and make sense to corporate. BUT.... when the cars hit 60,000 miles almost no one stepped up to buy one out of lease.


But you are correct: NEVER buy a lease car that was a fleet car.


BTW: I drove a lot more than average and both of my Ford mini vans hit 120,000+ miles in less than 3 years, but there was never a mechanical problem. It was still cheaper to pay the mileage overage than get a new vehicle, It's all about: a) counting beans and b) rolling the dice. I guess our bean counters were also fairly good at shooting craps.
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I've owned three "Japanese " pickups. Total warranty work, one tail gate adjustment. They were all made in the US. Thanks to Lyndon and his chicken law I suspect. . Before that I had two Chevy pick ups and two Ford pick ups. Until I owned a Honda I thought monthly trips to the dealer was normal. We all buy based on our experience. Raz
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I really like all wheel drive for any towing applications - especially heavy rain. The mileage penalty is usually only 1 or 2 mpg for a lot of added safety.
I previously towed with an All Wheel full time drive and I have to say it provided a very solid tow in all sorts of bad driving conditions etc. Even in extreme high winds it stuck to the road and never had any issues with trailer sway etc. When not towing and driving in the winter it was fantastic in the snow.

Sorry I could not say all of the same for my current 4 wheel drive on demand truck.

As far as my next tow vehicle goes it will depend on what my next trailer is - plan to move up a little in size shortly but the Toyota Highlander and the VW Touareg would both be on my radar depending how deep I want to go into the pocket book.
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I've owned three "Japanese " pickups. Total warranty work, one tail gate adjustment. They were all made in the US. Thanks to Lyndon and his chicken law I suspect. . Before that I had two Chevy pick ups and two Ford pick ups. Until I owned a Honda I thought monthly trips to the dealer was normal. We all buy based on our experience. Raz
LOL actually for the 2014 model year there where only 10 vehicles sold that can claim to be at least 75% US Domestic made (which includes parts from Canada) & funny enough they include a few of those "Japanese" pickups & only one Ford model made the list:

1. Ford F-150; Dearborn, Mich., and Claycomo, Mo.
2. Toyota Camry; Georgetown, Ky., and Lafayette, Ind.
3. Honda Odyssey; Lincoln, Ala.
4. Toyota Sienna; Princeton, Ind.
5. Toyota Tundra; San Antonio
6. Toyota Avalon; Georgetown, Ky.
7. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray; Bowling Green, Ky.
8. Honda Ridgeline; Lincoln, Ala.
9. Honda Crosstour; East Liberty, Ohio
10. Dodge SRT Viper; Detroit

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T-Reg.... an impressive choice!

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As far as my next tow vehicle goes it will depend on what my next trailer is - plan to move up a little in size shortly but the Toyota Highlander and the VW Touareg would both be on my radar depending how deep I want to go into the pocket book.
Garth Cane is a TV/RV tester/writer for RV Lifestyle mag. He once did a road test using the T-Reg which was towing at it's limit and he wrote. This was the best TV he had ever towed a trailer with. Over many years he had probably test driven dozens of combinations.

PS, but the Highlander many be a bit more reliable and cost less to operate.
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