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Old 07-22-2015, 08:04 PM   #57
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The Ford F150 no longer has 75% domestic content for 2015.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:20 PM   #58
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LOL actually for the 2014 model year there where only 10 vehicles sold that can claim to be at least 75% US Domestic made (which includes parts from Canada) & funny enough they include a few of those "Japanese" pickups & only one Ford model made the list:

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My Nissan has a jack made in Canada and the jack crank made in China. Go figure.

Is a disclosure of the origin of the parts required now? Raz
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:12 PM   #59
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I have been looking at a new used TV for awhile. Potential cars were a Toyota Highlander, Lexus Rx350 , GMC Acadia, Acura Mdx & a Mazda Cx9 .

I read reviews on all of these cars. 3 take premium fuel, 1 uses regular. They all have favorable reviews; in my opinion Acura won the "I love this car" the most in the reviews. A few weeks ago I drove a 2009 Acura Mdx - its a great car, has excellent acceleration & can tow but takes premium fuel. Last week I drove a 2010 Lexus Rx350 & a 2010 limited Toyota Highlander. They were both smooth on the road, the Lexus had 20,000 miles less than the Toyota Highlander, yet both had the same price. My bride asked the salesman what he thought of the Lexus. He said " I work at a Toyota dealer and they(Lexus owners) all come in and say will you service my L with an attitude"! Now mine you I don't have a problem buying a used one but that confirmed it for you know who; end of L shopping!! Also drove a Toyota Highlander Sport which I found had a stiffer suspension on the highway.

Ended up buying a one owner used 2008 Toyota Highlander Lmt 4 WD with the tow package (can tow up to 5000 lbs with it). It is a $200.00 option (a good option to add if buying new!) that is difficult to add later because it includes an oil cooler above the oil filter, a heavy duty radiator, a transmission cooler, a 150 amp alternator and a 200 watt fan.

Some reasons why I ended up buying Toyota which I hope holds true:
Uses regular fuel ( saves me $300/year), gets a mile or 2 mpg better than the other 3, does not have a timing belt to change at 100,000 miles, has a great tow package installed, engine and transmissions have a great track record, and best of all -can haul the grand kids camping!
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I've owned three "Japanese " pickups. Total warranty work, one tail gate adjustment. They were all made in the US. Thanks to Lyndon and his chicken law I suspect. . Before that I had two Chevy pick ups and two Ford pick ups. Until I owned a Honda I thought monthly trips to the dealer was normal. We all buy based on our experience. Raz
Its been 15years and I haven't had my tailgate adjusted yet
So I have to assume that your Chevys and Fords were from the nineteen sixties and seventies? Or don't those Japanese trucks last that long???
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If you keep your old truck long enough, and buy from Autozone (and ilk) you will eventually have a Chinese truck anyway, so what's the use??

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We updated our tow vehicle last year.
We went from a 1990 Toyota 2WD pickup with 375,000 Kms on it to
a 2004 Toyota Sienna FWD with 250,000 kms on it,,, like the van better.
Both have towed many miles trouble free.
I think our next TV will probably be a 4WD truck, used with lots of K on it
cause they're cheap (like me),,,Why, cause I need a truck for my business and I want a bigger trailer.
Plus we live in the mountains and the van is too tender footed for anything but pavement.
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We don't disagree. Unfortunately that war was lost when they built the supercenter out by the interstate. The pay phones are gone along with the company that made them. Even I have a cell phone. . Raz
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We don't disagree. Unfortunately that war was lost when they built the supercenter out by the interstate. The pay phones are gone along with the company that made them. Even I have a cell phone. . Raz
Then I gather that you didn't read S.O.L. as Statue of Liberty?
I can't say that the supercenter is the cause when the townie stores merely sell the same stuff at higher prices.
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We were towing with my 2005 Ranger 4.0 4WD until this year when we upgraded to a 2010 Expedition. The Ranger is a great tow vehicle but we wanted more comfort. The Expedition is AWD and 4WD selectable to 2WD. I am amazed that it gets better mileage than the Ranger.
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Domestic/foreign content is a legal fiction anyway. The only reason it's tracked is so that manufacturers can put the vehicle in one of four 'buckets' for the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) law.

The four buckets are domestic truck, imported truck, domestic car, and imported car. Cars and trucks have different CAFE requirements, which is one reason that Sport Utility vehicles based on trucks took over American highways in the 1990s - they are technically trucks.

The corporate bean counters like it when a vehicle has very close to 50% 'domestic content' because it can easily be made either a 'domestic' or 'imported' car based on the needs of the corporation's CAFE fleet requirements at the moment.

The '94 Prizm I mentioned earlier was built on the same line (in California) as the Toyota Corolla. It had 51% domestic content, so that it was, officially, a domestic car and could be counted in GM's fuel economy tally and average out the Corvettes. But if needs required, it could be made into an 'imported' car by changing the radiator (Harrison), radio(Delco), and alternator(Delco) installed on the line to parts from Toyota's global parts network sourced in Japan or Mexico.

Toyota also used this trick on their half of the production from the plant to balance out cars like Avalons.

Ford built all of the Crown Victorias, Town Cars, and Grand Marquis cars at the St. Anne's Ontario plant. That meant that the labor cost and some parts sourcing were always 'Imported' content, and the cars were 'imported' cars and their fuel economy was averaged against things like Ford Aspires and Festivas, even though the drive trains were all built in the USA.

There's really no such thing as a high volume car sold by a large manufacturer in the US market that is really domestic or really imported. There are too many economic reasons for the manufacturer to make their category easy to change.

You'll note that the high 'Domestic' content cars are all either bog-standard fleet sedans/minivans/crossovers or low volume specialty vehicles. The one makes the average, the other is such a small contributor to it that it doesn't matter.
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Hmmmmm. A lot has changed since NUMI (New United Motor Industries) was building Toyotas and Chevys on E. 14th street in San Leandro. (Where Tesla's are now built)


I believe today that vehicles are counted for CAFE based on the selling corporation, not the source of parts.


And I can't remember "ever" when Canadian assembled vehicles, built for sale in the U.S., were considered "imported. I have owned two Dodges that were built in Mexico, but they weren't ever considered imported either.


I usually don't have much truck for conspiracy theories.
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The Ford F150 no longer has 75% domestic content for 2015.
True, with the redesign, some of the parts they used to source in the US are now sourced elsewhere. So, the domestic parts content fell from 75% to 70% for the model year.

But, the domestic parts content does fluctuate from one model year to another, and that's not uncommon. Ford is actually in the process of sourcing more domestic parts for the new F150, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it return to the index in 2016 or 2017.

Also, they stopped making F150s in Mexico. Now all F150s will be assembled in the USA. That stat is probably a better indicator of a US made product than a slight drop in sourced parts origins.
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Garth Cane is a TV/RV tester/writer for RV Lifestyle mag. He once did a road test using the T-Reg which was towing at it's limit and he wrote. This was the best TV he had ever towed a trailer with. Over many years he had probably test driven dozens of combinations.
I saw that. I've been a fan of the Touareg as a tow vehicle for some time. If I were to ever get rid of my F150 for another tow, it'd be the Touareg. Superb towing capacity and great gas mileage while doing it.
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Domestic/foreign content is a legal fiction anyway. The only reason it's tracked is so that manufacturers can put the vehicle in one of four 'buckets' for the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) law.

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Ford built all of the Crown Victorias, Town Cars, and Grand Marquis cars at the St. Anne's Ontario plant. That meant that the labor cost and some parts sourcing were always 'Imported' content, and the cars were 'imported' cars a

There is actually another BIG reason for them keeping tabs on what is Domestic/Foreign - one is the North American Free Trade Agreement. Under the Agreement a certain percentage of the auto must have been made in North America in order for the autos to be traded/sold/moved between Canada/US & Mexico without duty being charged.

Oh and BTW when they calculate the Domestic content on autos in the USA the practises is to include Canadian made parts as Domestic not "imported" If they were not to include Canadian parts as domestic the domestic content number would be *much* lower on all of the autos listed.
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