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Old 05-21-2016, 09:33 AM   #15
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Thanks Dan. You said what I was thinking. I NEVER give advice on what to do as to each his own.

I can only say on a 2010 Scamp I bought new after 6 yrs and 10,000 miles- never pulled the wheels or greased them. I jack the trailer up...keep it that way when I'm not traveling. I spin the wheels often and listen-- VERY smooth and quiet as always. I also grab the wheels and shake them to check for "play". I test-pull in the spring and measure the hub temps. Let's dont get into a "NIST" standards debate on measuring devices as the hubs do still read the same temps on the test pull as when it was new.

My truck is a '99 Nissan with 88,000 miles on it and the wheel bearings doesnt even get the treatment my trailer does as far as testing!

Dexter will tell you clearly on the phone that they developed the EZ-Lubes for boat trailers to help displace water on the axles that are continually being submerged without having to pull the wheels as often. Their words.

With all of that said, if I lose what many say is a "gamble" and you see me on the side of the road and dont want to help, I understand. I'm simply going by experience from being raised by a mechanic and in a machine shop- (still there).

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The only remotely possible problem would be water in the grease, and by extension, the bearings.

If it were me, I would hitch up the trailer, and drive a mile and check hub temperature. I would drive another mile and check it again. Then I would go 3-4 miles at highway speed and check it, then maybe 10 or 20 miles and check the temperatures. Do this on a Saturday afternoon when it is not critical, not as part of the first few miles of a vacation.

One other option, if you are so inclined, would be to pull the hubs and inspect for water contamination in the grease.

Ask yourself this: How often do you worry about the wheel bearings on your tow vehicle?

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Old 05-21-2016, 11:16 AM   #16
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All one needs to do is pull the hubs/bearings from their BRAND NEW Dexter axle and look at the very SMALL amount of bearing grease they provide on the NEW axle/bearing/hub setup from the Dexter factory to see that you might want to consider a bearing "re-pack" sooner than later!

Yes I know "MO" grease may not be better however I do know "Little to No" grease is worse!
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Old 05-21-2016, 11:38 AM   #17
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If it fails under warranty I'm sure they will understand.
99% of warranty issues arise before scheduled maintenance can become an issue. 99% of subsequent longevity and reliability is the result of best practices maintenance.

I just bought Maytag's best washer and dryer set.
Each had a permanent label on the front touting a "10 YEAR Warranty"
IT was simply a lie... There is no real warranty
You must be able to prove that the defect was present at the time of manufacture to get parts or service in the first year and only two specific parts are covered with the same caveat after that with no service.

Last year I bought a new high efficiency HVAC system with great warranty promises. All void if I installed it myself. It is in and working perfectly and I saved $4500.
I'll take "best practices" anytime to assure best longevity and reliability,
along with the comfort of having a warranty which most companies honor, and most buyers don't ever need.
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Old 05-21-2016, 12:02 PM   #18
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I am a believer in the utility and effectiveness of EZ-LUBE, and my experience confirms it.
However I think it is important to hand repack the bearings on a new axle to be certain that they are packed and adjusted correctly.

Is it your opinion that the manufacturer would design and sell EZ-LUBE as an intentional fraud and sales gimmick knowing that it is useless?
Also why replace a new seal if you know how to remove and inspect them without damage?
So, Floyd, does the EZ-Lube fill the hub cavity 100%? If you pump it full at cool temps, then hit the road, won't the grease expand with heat and ooze out, blow the seal, and get on the brakes?
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Old 05-21-2016, 12:13 PM   #19
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99% of subsequent longevity and reliability is the result of best practices maintenance.
Unfortunately no two people agree as to what "best practices" is on anything.

And the washing machine, it's a rebadged Whirlpool. Maytag went belly up years ago. A class action law suit dealing with their Neptune washing machine and failure to honor the warranty was at least partially to blame.
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Old 05-21-2016, 12:21 PM   #20
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So IYHO it is an added feature. Should I infer from that that you believe it has a purpose, but one for which you have no need?

I seriously doubt that I would choose to repack every year even if there were no such thing as EZ-LUBE.
One thing I learned as a fleet mechanic was that best practices and manufacturer's schedules are often at odds.
OK,,, So, I looked up EZ-Lube and see that it is a whole system, not just a way to pump grease into the bearing cap .... like the "Bearing Buddies" did.
It requires a spindle that is drilled to put the grease behind the inner bearing, then force the old grease out past the outer bearing. So, it would fill the hub cavity. The old way of pulling the hub, washing it out, and hand packing - so the grease goes only where it is needed - and uses much less of the stuff - is better.
AND, you inspect the bearings and seals for damage.
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So, Floyd, does the EZ-Lube fill the hub cavity 100%? If you pump it full at cool temps, then hit the road, won't the grease expand with heat and ooze out, blow the seal, and get on the brakes?
No it won't, what little expansion experienced will push a little grease into the cavity in the dust cover as designed.
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Unfortunately no two people agree as to what "best practices" is on anything.

And the washing machine, it's a rebadged Whirlpool. Maytag went belly up years ago. A class action law suit dealing with their Neptune washing machine and failure to honor the warranty was at least partially to blame.
Agree or disagree, there really can only be one "best practices" on anything! So once again, it is best to study, become informed, and take responsibility....
Using "best practices" maintenance, we just retired our Maytag Neptune washer/dryer set after 15 years of hard use, they were both in running order and I spent less than $35 in repairs and scheduled maintenance.

The Maytag man is lonely for a reason, and it ain't exceptional reliability!
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Agree or disagree, there really can only be one "best practices" on anything! So once again, it is best to study, become informed, and take responsibility....
Using "best practices" maintenance, we just retired our Maytag Neptune washer/dryer set after 15 years of hard use, they were both in running order and I spent less than $35 in repairs and scheduled maintenance.

The Maytag man is lonely for a reason, and it ain't exceptional reliability!
I have an original Neptune. Over twenty years old. What got Maytag in trouble was an undersized component that failed, keeping the door locked until the Maytag repair man arrived. His solution was to replace the control board to the tune of $500+. Because of a large number of failures, Maytag started repairing the boards and reinstalling them with the same 10 part, even though it was destined to fail again. This went on until someone with deep pockets took them to court. I installed the part they should have used. Cost 12 plus shipping.
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Old 05-21-2016, 02:07 PM   #24
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I learn solid maintenance and love little tid bits too

I read all of ya'lls information, back and forth conversations, thank you for remembering us "dummies" too. I'm filing everyone's "two cents" so I will be prepared when I get on the road. Thank you, now I know a wee bit more regarding packing bearings. and the CORRECT info
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I have an original Neptune. Over twenty years old. What got Maytag in trouble was an undersized component that failed, keeping the door locked until the Maytag repair man arrived. His solution was to replace the control board to the tune of $500+. Because of a large number of failures, Maytag started repairing the boards and reinstalling them with the same 10 part, even though it was destined to fail again. This went on until someone with deep pockets took them to court. I installed the part they should have used. Cost 12 plus shipping.
I hear ya!, when the wax motor failed on mine it took out the part of the board which controlled it (the door lock) it was just a few cents in parts on the board, but it burned a hole right through.Instead of fixing it, (it was 11-12YO) I just bypassed the door lock and the wife was smart enough not to open it when it was running. Worked fine for years until we decided on the new ones.
The wax motor was a dumb idea where a solenoid would do better.
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The wax motors were made in Italy. I guess we can't make good wax motors? What was clever was using a stepper motor to replace the transmission. I also like the big concrete counter weight. My guess is the electronics was farmed out. Why that SCR failed and the others didn't is a mystery. Perhaps bad air flow?
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Old 05-22-2016, 05:57 AM   #27
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Ask yourself this: How often do you worry about the wheel bearings on your tow vehicle?


While walking the dog it occurred to me that I've never run across any mention of wheel bearings requiring grease in the maintenance schedule of either my Frontier or my CRV. I believe in both cases the wheel bearings are "permanently" greased and can only be replaced. As such using the frequency of bearing greasing on my tow as a standard for servicing my trailer might not be prudent. Just a thought.

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You must be a great cook as you are always stirring the pot, I really enjoy your repartee with others as well as your fount of knowledge. Glad to see things have not not changed. Anyone know when the Minden, Ne rally will reappear, I still have 15 more buildings to go thru at Pioneer Village.....
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