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Old 06-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #1
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When the Tail wags the dog

Here are a couple of short youtube videos. In both cases, the video gets a little more "interesting" if you give it patience and watch the whole thing.

Serious fishtailing - YouTube
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Fish Tailing on Cavan Bypass - YouTube



Edit: I dont know why I cant get this video to imbed into the posting. At least the link works...
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These are both enough to fill your underpants from the safety of your own computer.

Have you ever survived an event like this?

What comes to mind when you watch these videos?

The driver in video number 2 comments about there being a "rim problem." Lets speculate - whats the problem he was seeing?
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:23 PM   #4
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......Lets speculate - whats the problem he was seeing?
The people in the second video are driving on the wrong dang side of the road!
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The people in the second video are driving on the wrong dang side of the road!
I didn't realize driving on the "wrong side" would cause fish tailing.

I think this video is filmed near Cavan Ireland.

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I didn't realize driving on the "wrong side" would cause fish tailing.
It does if you are trying to drive on the right side of the road and have to keep swerving to avoid these idiots.

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I think this video is filmed near Cavan Ireland.

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Nasty stuff!
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Fish Tailing on Cavan Bypass - YouTube

Edit: I dont know why I cant get this video to imbed into the posting. At least the link works...
This is your link:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FDqiR1wOAg8
I took out the extra "feature" argument ("feature=player_detailpage&").
The result of the edited-down version is an embedded player:
Fish Tailing on Cavan Bypass - YouTube
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What comes to mind when you watch these videos?
I have only watched the first video. In that one, the rig has some of the characteristics which some people assure us are the path to safe and stable towing: long wheelbase, full-sized truck with rear-wheel drive, beam axle, and leaf springs, towing a much smaller trailer with tandem axles. Those are likely even ST tires, although of course I don't know.

Rule-of-thumb judgements don't always lead to sound rigs.
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In the Irish video, the swaying seems to start on a brake application, though maybe the driver hit the brakes in reaction to feeling the sway start. Brakes seem to be on thorough out the subsequent loss of control.
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I have only watched the first video. In that one, the rig has some of the characteristics which some people assure us are the path to safe and stable towing: long wheelbase, full-sized truck with rear-wheel drive, beam axle, and leaf springs, towing a much smaller trailer with tandem axles. Those are likely even ST tires, although of course I don't know.

Rule-of-thumb judgements don't always lead to sound rigs.
Most of your comments apply to both videos. It really does look like good choices were made in terms of tow vehicles. The second trailer is larger though. Perhaps this wouldn't have happened if he had a sway control device.

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... the first video.
... towing a much smaller trailer with tandem axles.
Since I realized the implications of tandem axles, I have not been a fan. In the video, the suspension doesn't seem to have much travel, which is typical of small trailers. The axles likely don't equalize load very well, if at all, so the distribution of load between the axles and the tongue weight depends strongly on hitch height.

If the hitch is too high, load shifts to the trailing axle, tongue weight goes up, and in the extreme the trailer becomes essentially a single-axle trailer with the axle too far back. This is hard on the tug and trailing axle and tires, but at least it is stable. Go the other direction, with the hitch too low, and load shifts to the leading axle, tongue weight goes down, and in the extreme the trailer becomes a single with the axle right under the middle... and a stability problem.

The equipment trailer in the video is very short, so it would be very sensitive to hitch height, which might be low on that van. With only a few feet from ball to axles, a few inches of hitch height error could make a big difference... and short is not good for stabilty anyway.
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The second trailer is larger though. Perhaps this wouldn't have happened if he had a sway control device.
Perhaps... but perhaps that rig had a sway control device.

A Euro sway control device is typically a special coupler which contains friction pads which clamp down on the ball, so you need to see the coupler pretty clearly to determine whether it is an anti-sway type or not. I couldn't tell, and I'm not on the device or network at the moment to watch it again or look closely.
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Well, the Irish do have problems driving sometimes.
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