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Old 07-23-2015, 08:35 AM   #15
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Thanks for the support, Jon, and for flagging a post. Most folks here have been really helpful to me.


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Old 07-23-2015, 08:40 AM   #16
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I noted in my post (#7) that I had not read all the responses. I am glad now that I didn't!

I agree with Jon, I hope all works out well Jen. Best of luck to you!

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Old 07-23-2015, 09:33 AM   #17
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Should there not be a Charge Line to the trailer and the trailer battery go dead then a RF (Radio Controled) braking system will not work.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:07 AM   #18
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One of the Prodigy setups comes with a slide in bracket complete with the plug for the unit. All the installer would be doing is securing the bracket. The brake controller just slides in and latches. EZ to move or remove when not in use.

Do give some thought to mounting location. That might be a question in and of itself.

The things I would consider are you want to be able to see it in order to use it's self monitoring features but not have the little lights glaring in your face if driving at night. You do need to be able to easily reach the manual override control lever. The times you will want to manually brake just the trailer are when things are going squirrely so having to hunt or feel around for the brake control is not ideal. Under the dash pointed out like a CB radio is probably the most common. Proportional does have to have orientation correct in order to detect and respond to deceleration.

Half right twice - is that the same as 100% right between them? No doubt in my mind that a proportional controller is the way to go, P2 is highly regarded model. Good luck
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Old 07-23-2015, 02:40 PM   #19
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You guys, thanks so much for chiming in and helping. So appreciated.
I stopped by an excellent Ford dealership today and a guy came out and looked at my truck. Says he has the same year. Felt underneath my dash and said, yep, the (thingie ha ha--don't recall the exact word) is right here. Don't have to open the dash. But you do need a PIGTAIL. He has a PIGTAIL.

Why they call it a PIGTAIL is a mystery but we went inside and ordered a PIGTAIL for $40 (maybe I could've found cheaper online, but this dealership is a stone's throw from the park where I have the camper presently, hoping to leave soon. And it'll be here tomorrow). EDIT: I ordered the P2 and the much cheaper FORD pigtail from Amazon just now, after checking with etrailer. I also ordered the 4-to-7 adaptor. With the pigtail, I can just put the brake controller in and go. And remove it when I wish. No special wiring. Which negates much of my preference for RF.

Then he looked in back and said, yes, it's just a short amount of wiring.

So I think the guy at my campground can do, or else a local mechanic--I've been given names of two. Everybody around here has trucks and campers. It's a GA tradition. I hardly know a person who doesn't.

The only thing I don't quite understand is the possible need for a fuse? Can anybody explain.

So now, I'm thinking of ordering the P2 instead, sending to the campground. Then next Monday we can wire my truck.

I do want to get the casita out of this campground, as it's expensive keeping it there. I had no towing capacity or knowledge at all when I bought it, so the guy who sold it to me simply towed it there and leveled it for me and I paid for the site as if I were living there. It was useful while going there frequently to clean it thoroughly, and also keep the a/c on so it didn't get moldy. And someone installed a maxair vent for me, and I found a maxair window louvre on cragislist as well, and he installed that. I also had the plumber come and install a ceramic dometic low profile toilet, an oxygenics shower head, Little House Customs hepvo valve mod and various other bathroom and kitchen mods (faucets etc)....so it was good to have the casita there for all that. But now, it's just a needless expense and we aren't staying there, we'd like to take it to some pretty parks in the mountains soon. Of course, that means really paying attention while someone teaches me about my jack, and weight distribution (thingie!) and sway bar and all that...and then learning to tow...hoping to find a pullthrough because I don't want to learn backing up just yet.
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:07 PM   #20
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Jen, as far as a fuse, check out E trailers videos on a P2 install it will explain it all for you. Kind of have to wonder why you are thinking of a WDH with the combo you have. Your 150 has plenty of muscle for the TW you're looking at having. I don't need or use one with my Ranger and it's not near the capacity of a 150. Again, just my 2 cents
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:18 PM   #21
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Dave, the towing package came with my trailer so...might as well use it...
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Old 07-24-2015, 12:22 AM   #22
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I have been reading this thread, interesting! I have an F 150 also. I use the WDH because the tongue weight pushes down on the tail of my truck and at night people,think I am high beaming them since the front of the truck is points up! People are generally all over the place with this...your choice. With the WDH hooked up we are level. If I hook the casita to my big ford 3/4 ton truck, it isn't an issue, but the little Ford is like a car, better ride, quieter, nice interior..not a difficult decision which truck to use.
I admire you for your persistence getting this worked out...good for you!
I am on the opposite coast, California, or I would come show you how to hook up and tow! You can do it..we are women..hear us roar!
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The Prodigy can be installed flat or up to 70 degrees. Mine is installed close to my right knee at an angle. I used the pigtale that is manfactured for the Chevy Silverado. One end plugs into the controller and the other plugs directly into the Silverado receptacle.
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Old 07-25-2015, 07:40 PM   #24
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The Prodigy can be installed flat or up to 70 degrees.....
I believe you are thinking of the P2. They both need to be mounted so that the front of the unit is horizontal, and must be parallel to direction of travel,but the current P3 can be mounted in 360 degrees of rotation in the vertical range.. See the install instructions.

The mounting location is something the OP should consider. IMHO, one should investigate a purchase by reading the install instructions (available on the internet) before making a purchase.
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etrailer info for the P2 says:

Tekonsha Brake Controller - 90885

Proportional brake controller automatically levels when mounted within a 360-degree vertical range. Includes digital display, 3 boost levels, battery protection and continuous diagnostics. Easily transfer between different automobiles.
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Old 07-25-2015, 09:44 PM   #26
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Interesting! It seems they have updated the P2.. and I should have checked the directions before assuming it was the same limitation as when I was shopping brake controllers.

Just goes to show the value of reading the manual when doing your research.. thanks for the update.

Remember.. some brake controls offer more mounting options than others.
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I don't know for sure why a connection with short length of wire is called a pigtail but it was/is common to twist the wires and sometimes would even be loosely braided. Tail of wires is wide at the plug end and would get smaller at the wire connection ends. So it would be something like the hair pig tail which derives its name originally based on a twisted length of drying tobacco.


Do know pigtail is a common term for a short length of multiple wires with a common connector. Including the short 4 pin hookup you sometimes see hanging at the back of a tow vehicle.


You need a fuse because there is an electrical wire that will now have power that did not before. That circuit needs to be protected by a fuse or circuit breaker in case there is a short in the wiring.


Oddly enough it is the lack of position sensitivity that is the main reason that people will still install a time delay controller rather than proportional. Since time delay just go through a preset delay and preset ramp up of electrical power delivered to the brakes when the brake lights go on they can be mounted any old way or angle. Orientation does not matter for time delay the way it does for a proportional which needs to detect deceleration and respond proportionally to that deceleration.


What can be funny is without a little bit of modification some vehicles with a time delay brake controller won't know the difference between 4 way flashers and brake lights. So going up a steep hill with a trailer the driver puts the flashers on because they are moving slow and that in effect taps the trailer brakes each time the tail lights flash. Which of course slows them down even more.....
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Gordon,

I went out to the truck, got out the manual and that is what it said. I mounted it in accordance with the directions and have used it for years with no problems. It is installed as I said next to my right knee at some degree close to the 70 degree mark.
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