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Old 10-09-2016, 02:32 PM   #29
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We have a 07 Toyota Sequoia without a trailer package So we put in a charge line the black 12 volt 10 ga. wire . We do not have a brake( blue wire) instead we bought a tekonisha prodigy RF the 21 Escape trailer plugs into that and the RF unit plugs into the tow vehicle . So no need for brake (blue wire) line .I haven't tried it yet so no clue how it will work but there are others on the escape forum that use it .
You could also go buy a Lil Snoozy with surge brakes and then no need for elec brakes . Jim
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Old 10-09-2016, 02:49 PM   #30
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We have a 07 Toyota Sequoia without a trailer package So we put in a charge line the black 12 volt 10 ga. wire . We do not have a brake( blue wire) instead we bought a tekonisha prodigy RF the 21 Escape trailer plugs into that and the RF unit plugs into the tow vehicle . So no need for brake (blue wire) line .I haven't tried it yet so no clue how it will work but there are others on the escape forum that use it .
You could also go buy a Lil Snoozy with surge brakes and then no need for elec brakes . Jim
As I understood it, you need the brake line to give power to the brakes. You just don't need to wire the controller in- but you still have to connect the brakes of the trailer to power somehow. Maybe the charge line does that but didn't it have to feed up to the front, too?
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Old 10-09-2016, 02:49 PM   #31
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Personally I would add the two wires one for the brake and one for the charge line.
I would use pretty heavy wire especially for the charge line and also add the circuit breaker s for both the brake and charge line along with a relay to kill the power to the trailer when the engine is off.
I have an electric refrigerator and the current draw is not too high at around 4 amps when the compressor is running averaging about 20 watts per hour.
When we park the the rig the house battery keeps the fridge good and cold and the battery will recharge quickly on the road.
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Personally I would add the two wires one for the brake and one for the charge line.
That's the plan. The only question is who is going to do it.
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Old 10-09-2016, 05:07 PM   #33
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The "Charge Line" can also provide power the to keep the trailer "Break Away" system battery charge if your trailer has electric trailer brakes.

As we all know most states require a "Trailer Break Away" system on you trailer IF your trailer is equipped with trailer brake system.
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Old 10-10-2016, 06:32 AM   #34
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Because "It's the cost of some wire," plus the cost of labor, plus maybe you don't need it, plus maybe your alternator can't handle the added load, etc.

I have never had one and never missed it. Just pointing out that it is a viable option to not have one.. it is not a requirement.
Well in some states that require a break away system it includes a battery that is being charged.

They have a name for that kind of thinking, "Penny wise Pound foolish"

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Old 10-10-2016, 10:32 AM   #35
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For what it's worth, a "break away" switch is worthless if your trailer completely disconnects it'self from the tow and the trailer has no onboard battery!

I had to run the brake wire to the rear of my 99 Nissan Frontier and I used the wonderful service etrailer.com's parts to do so. They have the heavy gauge wire and make SURE you dont run anything less than 10Ga wire to the rear!

There's a whole 'nuther fuss about the alternator being able to keep both batteries charged. My 4cyl Frontier has been doing this for 6+ years WHILE I'm running my 1.9 Dometic fridge on 12v while I'm on the road. We've stopped at Cracker Barrel etc to eat breakfast or what have you and I leave it hooked up and NO problems. (May not work on the Forester or a larger fridge...just describing my setup and success).

But DO run the extra "charge line" while you're having the brake line installed. Better to have it later on if you need/want it than to have to run another. I ran mine in the same jacket (again etrailer sells this!).

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The "Charge Line" can also provide power the to keep the trailer "Break Away" system battery charge if your trailer has electric trailer brakes.

As we all know most states require a "Trailer Break Away" system on you trailer IF your trailer is equipped with trailer brake system.
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Regarding charging batteries- are we talking topping them off as you run after minimal use or recharging after running them down? I don't yet have any feeling for how much power is used to keep a fridge cold while driving. If I had fully charged batteries and they were not charging, how fast would the fridge (3.0 cubic foot) run them down?
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:15 AM   #37
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When I was considering getting a 3-way fridge in my Escape, I learned from Reace ( ETI ) that if your battery is depleted when you leave camp for another, and if you have the fridge on 12V, your battery will still be depleted when you arrive. There is only enough power from the tow vehicle to run the fridge, not enough left over to charge the house battery.
I went with a larger two-way fridge and I run the fridge on propane when traveling.
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:15 AM   #38
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Depends on the available amps your battery will have.... I know the my Dometic on 12v pulls about 13-15A So you will have to do the math.
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For what it's worth, a "break away" switch is worthless if your trailer completely disconnects it'self from the tow and the trailer has no onboard battery!
Every commercially available trailer breakaway system offered on the market for years for electric trailer brake equipped trailers and installed by ALL the trailer manufacturers on their trailers RV or otherwise that have electric trailer brakes has it's own battery dedicated to the breakaway system. That battery must be charged over time. The power to charge the dedicated trailer break away system battery comes from the 12 volt power line supplied through the 7 way "RV" plug.

A trailer with a trailer break away switch and no integral battery system is worthless, inoperable and will not meet state requirements or pass safety inspection for a break away system on a trailer equipped with electric trailer brakes.
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Dedicated breakaway battery?

I have yet to see a trailer with a dedicated breakaway battery when a house battery is present as is the case on our 2005 Bigfoot. Why would one be needed in that case? In either case, if electric brakes are on the trailer there should be a battery on the trailer and a means to charge it. I'm on the "run the wire now" side of that fence.
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From Escape user manual:

The breakaway switch is located on the trailer tongue. It has a steel cable (lanyard) fastened to it which will reach to the frame of the tow vehicle. This device is one of the most vital components on your trailer’s braking system. It automatically applies the trailer brakes if the tow vehicle and trailer become uncoupled while in motion. The breakaway switch operates when a pull pin linked by the cable to the tow vehicle is
separated from the switch. When the switch closes, power for brake application is supplied by the onboard trailer battery. The steel lanyard must be anchored to the tow vehicle when the trailer is hitched up.
Secure this cable loop to the permanent frame of the tow vehicle, or a part of the hitch that is nonremovable.
DO NOT FASTEN THE BREAKAWAY SWITCH LANYARD TO THE HITCH BALL OR ANY OTHER REMOVABLE PART OF THE HITCH.
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Old 10-10-2016, 05:42 PM   #42
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prodigy RF

I was told by a reputable trailer hitch business that a Prodigy RF will work with just a 12 volt (black) line going to the 7 way plug .The RF unit has a gyro in it knowing when tow vehicle is braking and it supplies juice to the brake line . Otherwise one must buy a brake controller and find the plug and play fitting and then hook it up . Since i didn't know how long I will keep my 07 Sequoia my 21 Escape can be pulled by any vehicle that has a 7 way without its own brake controller . Also my Sequoia did not have the Trailer towing package so I had to go with a RF unit anyway .I hope this clarifies the brake controller dilemma.Jim

BTW look up Prodigy RF on you tube to get an idea of how it works
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