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Old 07-03-2014, 10:56 AM   #15
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2 votes for the Grand Cherokee. Thanks, Patti!
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:59 AM   #16
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Thanks, W. We're pretty open, but probably 6 or 8 cyl. SUV, foreign or domestic, gas or diesel. Gas mileage less of a concern.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:00 AM   #17
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7) Toyota RAV4, 6 cyl. Thank you, Denny.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:08 AM   #18
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Thanks, W. We're pretty open, but probably 6 or 8 cyl. SUV, foreign or domestic, gas or diesel. Gas mileage less of a concern.
I forgot to ask. Would a Mini Van work for you? They make excellent TV's and are very practical overall.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:38 AM   #19
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Primary or Secondary?

In our case we only own one vehicle, a 2004 Honda CRV and it's worked very well for 10 years.

Is the tow vehicle going to serve primarily a towing function or does it have a secondary function like driving to work, hauling kids,.... ?

For towing an empty Scamp 13 with brakes the number of possible choices is huge. For me a used Honda CRV would easily do the job or virtually any vehicle so far described. In my view a V-8 is definitely overkill for a Scamp 13 unless you have another purpose for the truck.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:52 AM   #20
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Excellent info, Jon. $15,000 is what we're thinking, but maybe we're dreaming. Still, Craigslist and CarMax are showing me some older Pilots that we might be able to do.

6) Honda Pilot

Not 100% sure (except 2011, which is my year)...

2004-2008 towing package optional across all models
2009-2011 towing package standard on all models 2WD and 4WD (integrated receiver, trans & PS coolers, brake controller, 7-pin wiring harness, pigtail must be purchased - I made it part of the deal so all covered under Honda-certified extended warranty)
2012-2014 towing dropped from 2WD, still standard on 4WD

A $15K Pilot is going to have a lot of miles; $20K would give you more choices. Sienna, Odyssey (beware tranny issues on older models), and newer Chrysler minivans with the 3.6 are worth considering, also, and tend to depreciate a bit faster, so better chance of finding something decent under $15K.


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Old 07-03-2014, 11:58 AM   #21
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Depends on how much stuff you tend to bring with you. For us 2 adults and dog and our stuff we have a 2001 Nissan Pathfinder 3.5 V6. It has 5000 lb tow capacity and doesn't care that the Trailer is back there. 21 mpg highway, 15 to 16 street or towing. Driving hills I take it out of overdrive to protect the transmission. We carry allot of stuff and I don't like to carry it all inside the 13 foot Scamp so if I stop someplace I don't have to unload the trailer to use it. For me the smaller the trailer the larger the tug you need. If I were to buy another tug it would probably be a Nissan dual cab pick-up with a bed cap.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:29 PM   #22
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Jeep. Nearly any Jeep.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:42 PM   #23
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I have been towing with a 4 speed automatic 2010 Subaru forester which tows OK with resulting mileage in the 17/18mpg range. Drawbacks are large hills/mountains where shifting to 3 "gear" becomes necessary. There is some "work" involved when you tow with a 4 cyl. I am looking for a new tow as well and am making 6 cyl. mandatory for the next vehicle I purchase. Am considering minivans, and a Venza = spendy!

I have owned 3 Dodge caravans since 1985 (current one is a 2000 w 162,000miles) but am afraid to tow them due to known transmission problems. Anyone towing with a newer 3.6L 6 in a Chrysler T & C with a lot of miles behind the seat?
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Old 07-03-2014, 02:26 PM   #24
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Hi, everybody. We're looking for a new tow vehicle for our stripped down (no water, no shower, no a/c, no bunk beds--it does have brakes) 1982 Scamp 13'.

History: We've been towing with a '99 Subaru Outback 2.5 litre. On our last trip through WV over to St. Louis, we just got tired of turning off the a/c when climbing mountains, turning off the cruise control almost all the time to prevent jumping up to 4K rpm on even relatively flat land. We also got tired of turning on the heat all the way a mile before coming to a stop to prevent over-heating. And who knows how hot the transmission was getting.
I believe the 1999 Outback is rated for 2000lbs. Towing a sparsely equipped '82 Scamp with brakes I would think would be very doable. But there's not a lot of power or torque from the 4 cylinder. That said, that engine should be able to run at 4K all day long, and that is actually probably healthier for the engine rather than lugging it down under load at lower rpm. The higher rpms might make for a hotter transmission. is it just the extra noise, vibration that bugs you? Or are you worried you are hurting the car by doing it? Because I doubt you are. Are you seeing the water temp gauge go into unsafe levels, or other indication of overheating? Not sure why you are turning the heat on before stopping? Turning it on in extra hot conditions under high load I'd understand. How fast are you towing that you need to turn the A/C off to get up mountains? Are you doing that as a precaution or because you simply cannot maintain speed that's safe given the other traffic? If you're not enjoying the experience or at least comfortable with it, then certainly look at other options. But I would have guessed that trailer/TV combo would work ok. Depends on your expectations I suppose.

I'm looking at the 2005+ Outbacks with the H-6. Rated to tow 3000lbs. I suspect the later 6 cylinder models would handle your light scamp with ease if you otherwise enjoy driving your Outback.
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Old 07-03-2014, 03:56 PM   #25
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Wow. This is a great website!
W, my wife wants to avoid minivans--at least for now.
Norm and Ginny, I've added the
8) Honda CRV, 6 cyl. Thanks!
Jon, your info on the tow packages is VERY helpful. Thanks so much. (Minivan question above.)
Steve, the
9) Nissan Pathfinder
is on the list.Thanks.
Tim adds Jeeps and I think I'll go with the Grand Cherokee already on the list as the model.
Mark underlines our experience with 4 cylinders, even with large displacement. Thank you.
Dylan, thanks for verifying the after-2005 Subaru Outback increase in tow rating. The '99 towed successfully for thousands of miles over about 8 years, but we noticed transmission slipping when pulling up mountains and assumed that the heat was lowering the trans. fluid viscosity. We also noticed more oil getting out around the gaskets, making us think that we were laboring the 2.5 l engine. But maybe, with 180K miles it was just getting tired.
The current list is:
1) post 2005 Sub. Outback, 2) Toyota Venza (Highlander dropped for expense), 3) Ford Escape, 4) Jeep Grand Cherokee 6 cyl. 8 spd., 5) Honda Pilot, 6) tOYota Rav4, 6 cyl., 7) Honda CRV 6 cyl., 8) Nissan Pathfinder
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I've never towed with an auto, or ever owned an auto in my 26 years of car ownership. But I believe the torque converter will slip under heavy load and that's not a sign of heat or wear in and of itself. That said, the more a TC slips the more heat will get generated. Many auto's have lock up torque converters that will stop that slip, but they won't lock in top gear generally, you have to drop down a gear (or two). I've heard it talked about on the 05+ cars, so they have a lock up, I don't know about earlier Legacys/Outbacks. I'd greatly prefer a manual, but not sure about how that affects tow rating and clutch life.

Leaking head gaskets. I think that's to be expected on these Subes with plenty of miles on the clock, probably the most talked about major maintenance issue I've seen discussed when talking older/used Subes. So you may have just needed new gaskets and the stress of towing was just making matters worse. if you were on original gaskets at 180K I think you are very lucky and it would probably be down on power, up on oil use. A compression check maybe useful if you still own that car. I wonder how the same 99 OB would fare with a fresh engine and transmission. I bet you wouldn't have as much trouble on the hills or see the gaskets leaking. But the 05+, especially the 6 cylinder I think would be a nice upgrade and be plenty of TV for your light Scamp.

I'd certainly want engine oil and transmission coolers. And a temp gauge for the trans could be added inline with the trans cooler.

Ideally I'd want the turbo 4 (XT), similar power to the 6 but will make the same power at 12,000 feet as at sea level, which the 6 won't do. But the 4 is only rated to 2700lbs, turbo or not. Not sure what the factor was that caused that lower rating. I doubt it's safety related as the chassis is otherwise about the same. I'm guessing it's more about durability, but that's a guess. Now finding an XT (turbo) is pretty hard to do, rare car. Then finding one with a manual even harder. Though I bet that model got more manuals than any other Outback.
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:37 PM   #27
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I've been told to stay FAR away from the Jeep / Chrysler 8 speed transmission. I'd prefer the newer Subaru or Toyota for towing.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:49 PM   #28
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Thanks for the good ideas, Dylan.
And thanks, Larry, for the red flag on the Jeep 8 spd. tranny.
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