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Old 11-10-2012, 03:08 PM   #29
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They are talking about making Olivers again sometime next year.
I hope Jim and Evon are able to bring the Oliver back into production. While it's NOT for everyone, whether layout or price, it is for some and I think competition in the molded manufacturing world is good for ALL buyers.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #30
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Like steve mentioned and sherry and paul in the past. The oliver customer support is pretty impressive with them even today. That's also worth something in the price you pay (to me anyway). I sure hope they come back. They said a trailer built to last a lifetime and they really mean it.
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It would be nice if they make them again they are beautiful, but the new fiberglass really offgasses and is really unhealthy (for all eggs).
That may be a persistent myth. There are several sources for "new smell" and with the lining completely covering much of the interior and the fiberglass commonly completely cured before assembly is done... If there is any residual "outgassing" it would be minor.
My Scamp is a Deluxe which I bought new, if there was any smell at all it was a very temporary combination of glue and laquer, but certainly not as much "new smell" as a new car.
I just drove a brand new Mazda5 home from the dealer for my daughter(about 75miles) the initial heat from the engine and the converters caused an odor bad enough that I felt compelled to roll the windows down a couple of times. A couple of days later, when I happened to ride in it, there was no noticeable odor of any kind.
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Sheesh

It is not a residual myth.
And I get sick even going into an egg that's just a few years old if it hasn't been used much. I get brainfog from the offgassing and I can smell it. I went into a 2011 Eggcamper last year and even the owner admitted she'd get ill from it when she first used it, and had to air it out to feel better.

The cabinets are laminate--the carpet is glued on--all these things offgas VOC's, as is well known in occupational medicine. The foam used for cushions and for sleeping on--offgasses toxic VOCs, and the fire retardants used--well go read the Chicago Tribune series on fire retardants earlier this year. Got a lot of attention. Toxic, endocrine disrupters.

Almost every material in a new egg is toxic, period. As in all RV's. Eggs are built much better, but that doesn't negate what they're made of.

And it's a small space without much ventilation and well sealed, which makes it worse while sleeping in it at night. Not nearly enough active ventilation or air flow.

It's okay for occasionally camping for the healthy, but if you have any form of impaired detoxification, which 20% of the population does, and/or you use them fulltime, you're putting a load on your system.
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Hhmmm, maybe that is what we sometimes see on the windows in the morning and call it condensation. Possibly without this off gassing that liquid residue will go away or decline over time, again that is why it is important to leave a vent cracked 24/7/365.
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Ventilation

Yes, leave vent cracked, also when not using, try to let it have active air flow exchanges--with the reversible fantastic fan, and maybe opening door and windows especially in summer when heat will speed offgassing. Some folks have boasted to me they bought the $700 expensive memory foam mattress for their casita, but those are *really* toxic (temperpedic type mattresses).

Over time, the toxin load really levels off, but I've found it depends on use. A couple using their egg a few months a year, in different seasons, it will be pretty well offgassed within a few years. A rarely used egg, shut up in a garage or pole barn or whatever, or with a cover over it, could be used a few weeks a year, will still have toxic vocs five or seven years later!

I'm very sensitive, but have walked in a lot of them so I know the difference. Personally I think scamps these days are more toxic than casitas. I don't know--but I went into a five year old 13 foot scamp last spring at a campground, peeked in, and to me it reeked, more than casitas ever have.

One guy told me his scamp, a very nice 82 that he'd cared for with love, had offgassed fiberglass odor for about the first 10 years!
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Small trailers can have a number of different odors depending on the owners and trailer use. They have small volumes, spend a lot of time closed up and that storage time is often unheated.

We find that fiberglass in relatively short order turns to rock and stops releasing volatiles. As to other volatiles, at least in my trailer the carpet is not glued in place.

It's also hard to imagine that fiberglass volatiles vary much between brands.

Personally I sometimes feel like I'm in an operating room in our Scamp, part of my reason for adding more wood.
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By carpet I include the carpet or rat fur all over the walls of casitas and scamps. These synthetic products offgas quite a bit of volatiles and are glued to the fiberglass. Laminate wood throughout offgasses. Fiberglass does too but I'm not familiar with how long. New upholstery has finishes and flame retardants. Foam is a petroleum product although you can now buy memory foam made of soy with No voc's.

That's why I like well used ones better!

I do think the small space amplifies offgassing load. I'm very sensitive. In general though if using them for months or fulltime, or if you have any kind of illness that increases stress on your body, making sure its well ventilated, and accelerating the offgassing process with air flow especially when stores, can really help.
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Man I LOVE the new smell of both vehicles and the FG campers! Been trying to "preserve" that now over 2 yrs .

I guess some people just llike the old musty, mildew stinch of older RVs! Good luck! As Donna and others state...it's a matter of personal preference. GIVE ME NEW or KEEP YER RV! (Oliver included!)

In my opinion, the used Oliver is WAY over-priced. Weird thing is, I live 30 miles from the Hohenwald, TN. factory and never been there...drove 1235 miles to Backus for a new Scamp-- $12,500. (13') We love it.

I will state in Oliver's defense though-- LOVE the double-wall construction- NO RIVETS! Also, the jacks? DA BOMB!! Wow...nice luxury there. LIke the Alum. wheels but it looks like it's riding on stilts. AND, I really would miss the "rat fur" of my 13' Scamp in the Oliver. It looks "cold" and "laboratory"ish. The rat fur we love and has a "cozy" feel. Again, personal preference as I dont care for the "carpet" on the Casitas.

A wild world this RV'ism is!
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I do agree with you on the beautiful Olivers being overpriced.

As to mildew-I don't like that either! :-) Hopefully there's a happy medium where a trailer has been used, cared for, and is not moldy from leaks or improper storage.
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NO NO...I wouldnt think for one minute THAT Oliver would be nothing but "pristine"! I hope that's not the way I came across. I just dont want a "used" RV..period. BUT, I have looked at older RV's that had the "smell" to it that turns my stomach.

I did read where Oliver could possibly start building again? I had looked on their site where they were doing a more economical model before closing. I would LOVE to have the "double-shell" design...but not all the fluff. Personally, I see them MAYBE getting $20K for that used $37.5 camper? To me it's just like buying a new vehicle, the more they have on them, the quicker they depreciate. To make it more realistic, type an option in KBB that costs about $1500 on a new vehicle and see how LITTLE it will actually change the value on a used vehicle.
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Some things never depreciate. Wish I would have bought gold in the 1970s when it was $32 an ounce. Sigh. There's never been another brand of trailer quite like the Oliver and probably won't be unless it goes back into production. Sorta like the Airstreams. Many come close, none reach the same height. And yes, it could be alot of "perception." But there are those that are willing to pay for that....
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Attached, a trip down memory lane. Thought it might be fun to look at. I sent away for this back then but but didn't have the money
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That price list for the Oliver was interesting to me, since I just bought one. I have the Legacy Elite, which comes with all the extras on the right side of that list.

I know that there have been overpriced Olivers for sale on the used market. I have to say that as long as they are not producing them, they will continue to hold their value. There just is nothing like them out there, so, if you have the money and you want one, you may be willing to pay for it.

I have a shallow water skiff that I bought used 10 years ago. It is equal to the Oliver, in that it is one of the best skiffs ever built. I just saw that one similar to mine, but a year older, sold for what I paid for mine 10 years ago. This doesn't happen very often with RV's or boats. Every once in a while someone builds something so good and so desirable that it depreciates very little, especially if it is no longer available.

I sold my 2008 Airstream 16 Bambi for more than I paid for it, and it only took two weeks. The reason I sold it was to buy the Oliver. I am so happy with the Oliver, it was built with such quality and workmanship, using materials that should last for a long time with very little maintenance. Unfortunately, I can not say the same for the Airstream.
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