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Old 12-12-2014, 02:25 PM   #29
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Andrea in Colorado

I would strongly suggest you contact Chrysler, LLC directly instead of letting the "locals" tell you what can and cannot be done.


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Old 12-12-2014, 06:05 PM   #30
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One other suggestion might be a Compact Jr. It has a very long bed, less wind resistance and lighter. It would still only really sleep 2 unless you are really friendly. Also might be hard to find one.
Any chance there is room for DS to sleep in Jeep when there are 3 of you?

And completely off topic... Bob Miller, where did you get that cute sink/cooktop combo? We are about to tackle the galley in our Compact II and like the looks of what you have done

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If you are very, very careful you can keep a Compact under 1000 lbs, but it will have to be almost empty of stuff.
The kitchen our Compact-II is a SMEV model 00911 from Panther RV in Seattle. Love it, works perfect in small spaces.
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Now knowing that it's a Patriot, personally I feel less inclined to be dogmatic about the 1000 lb limit.

I understand if the techs are saying they can't add extra cooling without voiding warranty coverage; some warranties and especially some extended service contracts are worded to exclude any modifications, just to give them an 'out' from having to cover a problem. It stinks, but it's not illegal, so they do it.

But if they're saying they can't do it because there is some physical limitation, I'd double-check that (maybe at another dealership). The questions I would ask are: What exactly is included in the tow package, if any, that allows the 2000 lb tow rating? What is the limiting factor or factors that would keep my Jeep from having those components? Was the higher rating only for Patriots with a different engine or different transmission? Or what?

If I were in your shoes, I would not feel too bad about towing a little more than 1000 lb. I would monitor the engine and transmission temperatures while towing (if the Patriot does not offer temp readouts, a ScanGauge plugged into the OBD port under the dash probably would provide this info for you). I would figure on towing about 55 mph, certainly not over 60 anyway, plus I'd slow down and shift down when climbing long grades.

Remember when shopping that small frontal area will make more difference in towing ease than weight (well, most of the time, anyway). So you want something as low and narrow as you can get, within the other parameters of your personal needs.
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:30 PM   #33
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I just looked at jeep.com and found this page about tow ratings for the 2014 Patriot:
Explore Jeep Capabilities - Towing Reference Guide

The 2L engine only gets 1000 lb rating, period.

The 2.4L with CVT transmission is 2000 lb. The 2.4L with either manual or 6-speed auto is 2000 lb unless it's a 'sport' trim, which suggests to me that the 'sport' could possibly be made capable of towing 2000 lb. The tow prep package appears to be just an oil cooler, full size spare, and wiring harness according to jeep.com info.

Which engine do you have?
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:51 PM   #34
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I just looked at jeep.com and found this page about tow ratings for the 2014 Patriot:
Explore Jeep Capabilities - Towing Reference Guide

The 2L engine only gets 1000 lb rating, period.

The 2.4L with CVT transmission is 2000 lb. The 2.4L with either manual or 6-speed auto is 2000 lb unless it's a 'sport' trim, which suggests to me that the 'sport' could possibly be made capable of towing 2000 lb. The tow prep package appears to be just an oil cooler, full size spare, and wiring harness according to jeep.com info.

Which engine do you have?
We have the smaller engine. I just got off of chat with Chrysler Jeep and that's pretty much what they said - I'd need a bigger engine. So I guess that's that.

Thx - A
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Old 12-12-2014, 09:57 PM   #35
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Maybe - but that's not an option
I said the same thing for a number of years but in hindsight its really the only option if you happen to like your car & want to get a good resale price for it. Trust me the wear and tear on my previous vehicle from pulling at trailer that was only a couple of hundred pounds under its towing capacity just wasn't worth it in the end. Costly mistake. In your situation it could be costly in more ways than my situation was. Just not worth it.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:21 PM   #36
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I said the same thing for a number of years but in hindsight its really the only option if you happen to like your car & want to get a good resale price for it. Trust me the wear and tear on my previous vehicle from pulling at trailer that was only a couple of hundred pounds under its towing capacity just wasn't worth it in the end. Costly mistake. In your situation it could be costly in more ways than my situation was. Just not worth it.
Yeah, but that was a lousy ol' Subaru, wasn't it? This is a legendary Jeep! . To be honest, you have a point, particularly if the Jeep will see a large amount of towing. But for the rare, occasional long trip plus maybe a few short ones close to home, it shouldn't be the end of the world (or of the Jeep). If Andrea doesn't push for speed and babies the rig, I think it would meet the need.

Really, for Andrea's situation I can see the Tailfeather as a decent candidate. Even though it has all those seams that may need seal replacement down the road, it shouldn't strain the Jeep too much. Even better IMO would be (flame suit on) a used Aliner Scout; 2003-2007 vintage were listed as 995 lb dry weight and, being a (hard sided) popup with hardly any wind resistance, the strain would be as minimal as any trailer could be.

Andrea, I bought a 1984 Dodge Omni 5-speed stick shift brand new. I would tow a 400 lb, 4'8' utility trailer (no top on it) pretty regularly to deliver parts to farmers; typical weight loaded was 600 to 700 lb. I also rented a 13' UHaul CT egg trailer and went on vacation with DW and 2 little kids, towing it from MI to Colorado Springs and back. Not saying I would do that again. But I drove that car for another 100k miles before selling it. And I think your Jeep has about 50% more HP than that Omni had. Point is, I don't think that some occasional towing will necessarily trash your Jeep.
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Old 12-13-2014, 09:50 PM   #37
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Yeah, but that was a lousy ol' Subaru, wasn't it? This is a legendary Jeep! . To be honest, you have a point, particularly if the Jeep will see a large amount of towing. But for the rare, occasional long trip plus maybe a few short ones close to home, it shouldn't be the end of the world (or of the Jeep). If Andrea doesn't push for speed and babies the rig, I think it would meet the need.

Really, for Andrea's situation I can see the Tailfeather as a decent candidate. Even though it has all those seams that may need seal replacement down the road, it shouldn't strain the Jeep too much. Even better IMO would be (flame suit on) a used Aliner Scout; 2003-2007 vintage were listed as 995 lb dry weight and, being a (hard sided) popup with hardly any wind resistance, the strain would be as minimal as any trailer could be.

Andrea, I bought a 1984 Dodge Omni 5-speed stick shift brand new. I would tow a 400 lb, 4'8' utility trailer (no top on it) pretty regularly to deliver parts to farmers; typical weight loaded was 600 to 700 lb. I also rented a 13' UHaul CT egg trailer and went on vacation with DW and 2 little kids, towing it from MI to Colorado Springs and back. Not saying I would do that again. But I drove that car for another 100k miles before selling it. And I think your Jeep has about 50% more HP than that Omni had. Point is, I don't think that some occasional towing will necessarily trash your Jeep.
Thanks, Mike . Your input has been really helpful
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:54 AM   #38
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For a number of reasons, buying a new vehicle doesn't make sense for us right now. Even if I wanted to, DH would never agree to it. Whatever solution we come up with is going to have to work with the vehicle, space & budget we have now. If a fiberglass RV isn't going to work, we'll have to find something else.

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Old 12-14-2014, 03:41 PM   #39
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The Jeep Patriot is the lowest rated SUV in its class by consumer reports.
Before buying any vehicle it is always a good idea to do a little research about its track record. The reason the resale value is low on these vehicles is they are problem prone. ....perhaps it is trade-in time.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:49 AM   #40
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Thanks for all the input - particularly from those of you who answered the questions I actually asked . I've gotten some really good information.

I think I'm signing off until we've made a decision. Will let you know if we come up with anything that might be interesting to this forum.

Thanks, again
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:26 PM   #41
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One other consideration with tow ratings is electric brakes. If/when you consider a tow vehicle upgrade, some makes almost double the rating with brakes. An installed brake controller is not very expensive.
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Andrea a point that I didnt see anyone make is perhaps you don't actually need a trailer that sleeps 3 maybe one that sleeps two and a pup tent would work well for your situation. Those of us who have camped with 12 year old boys know they are often much happier sleeping in their own tent beside the trailer rather than in the same trailer with the adults. Even when camping in black bear country.
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