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Old 02-05-2016, 10:29 AM   #1
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Question Considering Fiberglass and Looking for Input

My wife and I are considering the purchase of a fiberglass rv and have met a few couples that own them presently. Two of those couples own the 16' Scamp and the other owns the 16' Casita. Based on what we saw of both types we are leaning toward the Scamp. We are certainly open to your opinions as to what decision we should make as well as other brands.

My tow vehicle will be a 4 door Jeep Sahara that has a 3500 pd towing capacity and a hitch weight capacity of 300 pds. Is this substantial enough to comfortably pull either the 16' Scamp or Casita? I appreciate any input that you can share.

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Old 02-05-2016, 10:51 AM   #2
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If that is the size that you are interested in, you may also consider the Escape 17. Your Jeep should pull that just fine also.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:58 AM   #3
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300 lb tongue weight limit is a problem.
My 17 comes in at 320-340 lbs. tongue weight, which is what it needs to be.
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:02 AM   #4
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Welcome, Randy and Holly!

A 16' Casita or Scamp will weight somewhere between 2400 and 2800 pounds loaded for camping. So either would be a good fit for a 3500 pound rated tow vehicle, with some margin for adverse conditions (heat, grades, headwinds,).

A good resource is the thread Trailer Weights in the Real World. Post #297 links to a downloadable spreadsheet. You can filter by size, manufacturer, etc., and it gives you averages for total weight and tongue weight. Very helpful.

Best wishes in your "egg hunt"!
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:44 AM   #5
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An All Fiberglass Lil Snoozy

Specifications:
Overall Dimensions
Length: 18 ft. 6 in. (encompasses tongue to rear of AC unit)
Height: 7 ft. 7 in.
Width: 8 ft. (from outside tire to outside tire)

Living Area Dimensions:
Length: 14 ft. 6 in.
Interior Width: 6 ft. 6 in.
Interior head room: 6ft. 4 in.
Bed Size Area: 63” x 79” (34 sq. ft.)
Overall Living Space: 95.25 sq. ft.

Overall Weight: 2500 lbs.
Tongue Weight: 185 lbs.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:54 AM   #6
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Randy, Holly....

Depending on which loyalist you encounter, you'll get differing tales regarding which (Casita or Scamp) would be a better choice. Both are good, and last well if maintained.

One additional thought. Depending on your individual heights, you might find a 17' Casita much more comfortable over time than either of the `16' jobs. More head and elbow room. That, of course, is complicated by the 3500 lb. capacity of your Wrangler. My Casita 17 SD weighs about 3300 lbs. loaded and ready to go.

Although I much prefer a 10% reserve tow capacity on my tow vehicles, your Wrangler would suffice for a Casita 17' if the trailer was loaded sparingly, if driven carefully, with a weight distribution hitch and sway control....and kept out of too many curvy mountain passes.

Hope to meet you down the road with whichever you choose.

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Old 02-06-2016, 10:40 AM   #7
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Actually, a 16' Scamp will likely feel roomier than a 17' Casita. The interior heights are the same at a little over 6', but the Casita has a 24" wide center aisle; the Scamp has a 30" aisle. The difference is the Casita has deeper cabinets. Most of the length difference is in the dinette bed (45" vs 54"). Not worth the extra weight in my opinion, unless the larger bed is non-negotiable, in which case I'd probably be looking at an Escape. But I'm in the minority, I'd say, given the popularity of the Casita 17s

Does that make me a Scamp loyalist?
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:14 PM   #8
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Sahara towing 3500lbs

The Jeep site claims the tow capacity is 2000 lbs for the 2016 Sahara, with 285 HP.
Have you a different model?

My thought is to never be at or near the max limit. As a example a Ford Escape I once had, factory specs said it had the right numbers but you never felt in control. Now we have a 2014 V6 Chev Silverado which pulls our 17 Casita like a dream and feels very stable.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:17 PM   #9
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One thought in the Scamp vs Casita wars. The Casita has glass all the way around. No wood floors to rot.
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Randy, Holly.....

Some of Jon's points on the relative roominess of the 17' Casita have merit, as long as you compare only with the 17 SD model. But to be fair to yourself, at least look at the overall dimensions in all the different 17 layouts.

As for who's a loyalist??? different strokes.....

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One thought in the Scamp vs Casita wars. The Casita has glass all the way around. No wood floors to rot.
Casita does have a full fiberglass underbelly, but it's not structural. There is a layer of wood encased in fiberglass. Any place the fiberglass is cut (such as for plumbing) or screwed into is a place water can enter. Some argue that the fiberglass can, in some cases, hold the water and accelerate rot. Scamp treats the exposed subfloor with resin, so it's also protected.

Not to escalate the war… both floor systems have proven they can last for decades with reasonable maintenance, and both can rot if neglected.

The only two molded fiberglass trailers I know of with no wood in the floor are the Lil Snoozy and the new Happier Camper HC1. Both have a floor made of two layers of fiberglass with a structural honeycomb in between.
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The Jeep product you own does not qualify as a good tow vehicle.
Size, wheel base and real world tow capacity all contribute to it not being a very adequate tow choice. You might move up to a Jeep Grand Cherokee if you insist on driving a Jeep. I would suggest either of two Toyota products...4 Runner or a Highlander V6 automatic with tow packages.
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[Hi... i am a new Scamp owner and have one adventure 7nder my belt. It took me lot of research to determine that my year and model would be a good tow match... invaluable advice received herenon this site was to call a dealernand have them pull up your VIN # and fond out the details...like tow weight, hitch wt, and other things like upgraded transmission and radiator. All matter. This was a tremendous help to me. And i was ecstactic when mine yr and model showed i had what i needed. All models are not equal. I would listen to the advice here.
Ps...my first trip was at Christmas ND into cold country...Utah and N.AZ. I ran dry using facilities at rv parks just to be safe...not too big a deal, slept and kept my critter family comfy with heater (electric space heater inparks) worked just right.

I was surprised how well insulated it was ... kept lots of pillows around the outside of the bed... I have a Scamp 16... with side dinette for 2...front wet bath. Really nice.layout, feels spacious enouh, bed is small for two, but works great for.me, just one.

Good luck! Everything takes lot of research....I would spend the time and do it right. Teal


QUOTE=Uplander;570273]The Jeep product you own does not qualify as a good tow vehicle.
Size, wheel base and real world tow capacity all contribute to it not being a very adequate tow choice. You might move up to a Jeep Grand Cherokee if you insist on driving a Jeep. I would suggest either of two Toyota products...4 Runner or a Highlander V6 automatic with tow packages.[/QUOTE]
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One thought in the Scamp vs Casita wars. The Casita has glass all the way around. No wood floors to rot.
That was me deciding factor why i purchased my Casita.
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