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Old 08-15-2017, 04:14 PM   #1
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Does our perfect trailer exist?

Hi All,

Family of 3 from Pittsburgh, here!

We're hoping to find a 13' that has 2 separate beds (1 for parents and 1 for our 9yo son) but that also has a private potty (portable or otherwise) in a separate room. Does such an egg exist? Or can one be modded with a bunk over the main bed?

If we have to move to a 16/17' we could possibly still tow it with our 2012 Forester, but smaller units just feel right.

We've loved all of the ideas we have read here so far and hope to be able to contribute in the future!
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:31 PM   #2
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Check your tongue weight on your Forester. I believe that it is 200 pounds. Which would restrict you to a trailer that is 2,000 pounds once you pack it with your stuff for camping. I don't know if there are any 16/17s that are that light loaded up for camping. The trailer weights in the real world thread is good to look at for examples of other peoples loaded weights.

But you could always get at 13 with a front goucho and a privacy tent for the porta potti.
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:51 PM   #3
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Subies simply aren't adequate tow vehicles for much...I would check out Scamps website for a suitable floor plan since Casita has discontinued production on their 13' models...keep in mind, a molded fiberglass camper will probably outlast several tow vehicles.......
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:42 AM   #4
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Dave, Lisa is correct. We had a 2011 Forester and the tow limits were 2,400 lbs with a tongue weight limit of 200 lbs. That tongue weight is the real problem. We were towing a 13 ft Scamp with no bathroom. You may get away with the front bathroom weight-wise, but then you lose the other beds. I wouldn't personally try to pull a 16 with your Subie. I sympathize with you because otherwise they are great cars. None better in the snow. The newer (since 2013?) Foresters are limited to 1,500 lbs. The only way I see to do what you want, is as Lisa said, have a separate privacy tent. You can also take turns using the porta potty in the trailer, or changing clothes while the others wait their turn outside? We have friends, Ray and Francie, that traveled in a 13 ft Scamp Standard with front bunks and took 3 grand kids along! Maybe they'll weigh in. You can compromise and make-do with options etc. and do just fine, but not when it comes to towing safety. I hope you find a way to get a trailer/vehicle rig that works for you. You will have a great time.

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Old 08-16-2017, 12:47 PM   #5
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ParkLiners have a queen bed and side dinette that makes into a single. An enclosed potty/shower, and lots of storage space. They were a 15 ft, but I think they may be growing to 16 ft. We tow ours w/ a Toyota Highlander.
They also have a double bunk option that goes above the side dinette.
Unfortunately, They have gone from factory direct to dealer sales, with a significant price hike.
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Old 08-16-2017, 02:31 PM   #6
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ParkLiners have a queen bed and side dinette that makes into a single. An enclosed potty/shower, and lots of storage space. They were a 15 ft, but I think they may be growing to 16 ft. We tow ours w/ a Toyota Highlander.
They also have a double bunk option that goes above the side dinette.
Unfortunately, They have gone from factory direct to dealer sales, with a significant price hike.
I've been thinking about a Parkliner, too. However, it will probably be even heavier as the new design will have a double hull and insulation. Liberty is not sharing specs as of today but I guess we'll see soon enough. They will have a 16 at the rally.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:17 PM   #7
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Does our perfect trailer exist?

A Parkliner is well above the tow rating of a Forester. Because of the 200 pound tongue weight limit, necessitating a travel trailer under 2000 pounds, we are limited to 13'ers here. The extra rear seat passenger, along with any cargo you plan to carry in the vehicle, compounds the problem by adding weight on the rear axle.

I don't know anything that has beds for three and an enclosed porta-potty room.

Door #1 is a very basic 13' Scamp or similar with front bunks (you can easily take out the top bunk to save some weight) and a privacy tent for the porta-potty. Pack very lightly to limit the rear axle load.

Door #2 is a bigger tow vehicle. There are several smallish SUVs with 3500/350 tow ratings (Ford Escape Ecoboost, Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T, Kia Sorento 2.0T, Jeep Cherokee V6, Chevy Equinox/GMC Terrain V6, off the top of my head). That would open up your trailer options in the 15-16' class.
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:22 PM   #8
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Thanks all for the welcome and suggestions.

I have been investigating Subaru's low towing limits. The 200#/2400# often quoted are in the Subaru owner's manual that states specifically the limitations of their factory-installed Class 2 hitch, not the limits of the vehicle itself (if different). The OEM hitch also does not allow for weight distributing hitch usage. There isn't any mention about the Forester's raw towing capacity using a heavier aftermarket hitch.

I have sent an email to Subaru to try and see if other limits would be in effect with a non-OEM hitch -- particularly weight distributing hitches -- but have not yet gotten a solid answer.

If we did need to move to a larger tow vehicle, my Magnum wagon will tow 3800# -- but it has a very tiny cargo area for our 2 dogs. The Forester would be much nicer for all.

In any event, we still would prefer to find a nice 13-footer with 2 beds and a potty if we can.
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:26 PM   #9
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Thanks all for the welcome and suggestions.

I have been investigating Subaru's low towing limits. The 200#/2400# often quoted are in the Subaru owner's manual that states specifically the limitations of their factory-installed Class 2 hitch, not the limits of the vehicle itself (if different). The OEM hitch also does not allow for weight distributing hitch usage. There isn't any mention about the Forester's raw towing capacity using a heavier aftermarket hitch.

I have sent an email to Subaru to try and see if other limits would be in effect with a non-OEM hitch -- particularly weight distributing hitches -- but have not yet gotten a solid answer.

If we did need to move to a larger tow vehicle, my Magnum wagon will tow 3800# -- but it has a very tiny cargo area for our 2 dogs. The Forester would be much nicer for all.

In any event, we still would prefer to find a nice 13-footer with 2 beds and a potty if we can.
Did you look at the Happier Camper, HC1? You can configure it online and it has modular inserts. I don't know much about it except that it's very light weight.
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:59 PM   #10
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Thanks all for the welcome and suggestions.

I have been investigating Subaru's low towing limits. The 200#/2400# often quoted are in the Subaru owner's manual that states specifically the limitations of their factory-installed Class 2 hitch, not the limits of the vehicle itself (if different). The OEM hitch also does not allow for weight distributing hitch usage. There isn't any mention about the Forester's raw towing capacity using a heavier aftermarket hitch.

I have sent an email to Subaru to try and see if other limits would be in effect with a non-OEM hitch -- particularly weight distributing hitches -- but have not yet gotten a solid answer.

If we did need to move to a larger tow vehicle, my Magnum wagon will tow 3800# -- but it has a very tiny cargo area for our 2 dogs. The Forester would be much nicer for all.

In any event, we still would prefer to find a nice 13-footer with 2 beds and a potty if we can.
Dave, Subaru says specifically not to use weight distribution hitches. The hitch itself isn't the limiting factor on your Forester. It's the vehicle itself. I didn't like the Subaru hitch and put a much stronger Curt Class 3 hitch on but it didn't affect the towing limits. They are 200 / 2,400 no matter what hitch you use. Wish it was different, and I have no idea how they come up with those numbers, but it is what it is. Outbacks have much better numbers, but don't recall offhand what they are.

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Old 08-16-2017, 05:02 PM   #11
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Good luck getting a straight answer out of Subaru. Took me six years to get an answer about WDH and my RAV4 from Toyota. They just kept citing the manual, which was what I wanted clarification on.
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:49 PM   #12
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I removed the heavy bunk beds & had a mattress made for their replacement on my 13 Scamp . This will give you the two desired beds .
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:44 PM   #13
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Point 1 Children love tents particularly the 7+ ages.
Point 2 Use the facilities in the campgrounds rather than the added tongue weight created by a bathroom.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:22 AM   #14
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Don't know where you are at in PA but we will be picking up a HC1 on display at the javits center in NY and be bringing at back to Detroit and will be passing through PA on our way back and can arrange to show it to you.
Although the HC1 does not have a separate bathroom it can be set up with 2 separate double beds and if loaded properly it should fit your suberu tv needs.
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