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Old 01-22-2017, 07:35 PM   #1
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Hi, From Mi.

Been checking out this site for a few days. I bought a 73 13' cloud just before Christmas and started working on it just after new years. Lots of very good info here. Already learned quite a few tips.
Was going to paint the frame up some and found some bad spots, so decided to jack it up and pull it out and reinforce it some. After I pulled it out it was worse than I thought. Decided to just build a new one. Axle was in upside down, so I made a adjustment on the new frame so I could put it in rite. That raised it two inches, and with the 10 degree axle rolled over raised it up another 5 inches or so. Rite now the door step will be about 15inches high. Since the old axle is dead when I get a new axle I can get A new degree axle to lower it back down to something better. Maybe 8 or 10 inches from step to ground. Just put the old axle back in for now. Its not going anywhere just yet.
Ya, it had some floor rot. Around wheel wells some and below front and back windows...not real bad, but more than I wanted. Also when I got it up I saw it was really rotted under water tank. Yikes what did I get into...So I tore out the floor and am working on putting in a new one. Got it all fitted in and fiberglassed the driver side shell down yesterday. Today I glassed the shell down on the passenger side. Did two sides on different days so I could make sure of the door alignment and shim from the solid side as necessary.
I've got more pictures, I'll just send a couple tonight.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:05 PM   #2
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Jeff, welcome to the FGRV forum. It looks like you are gunk ho about getting it done, and done right. When we replaced our 13' Scamp's axle, we purchased a Flexiride Axle so I could adjust the ride height as needs dictated, such as off reading, or getting the trailer into the garage through our 7' door opening.
Best of luck with your restoration.
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Old 01-23-2017, 05:31 AM   #3
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Good morning David, Bought time to get busy. I'm retired , but like to stay busy.
Been thinking on the flexride axle some. Just not real sure what way i'll go yet. Didn't Know a lot about axles till a couple of weeks ago. Then between here and stopping at a axle shop, I got a crash course. Same with fiberglassing. Never done it before, but a real good thread here about it by a Mr. White.
Got to start working on the bottom of the camper today, to prep for getting the frame back under. Want to at least get it moveable again before I run out of gas. I hate things in the way if I have to get in the shop with something else. Plus I have to still get the frame numbers looked at to get the title in my name. Never did find them on the old frame, but I did find them on the new frame.
Had to tweek the door jams up some to get the door fit I wanted.(Just shimmed the shell inorout some so the door didn't wobble in the frame).
May have to push the door up and grind some off the top to get the rite fit. At some point the hinges were replaced with scamp hinges, and very poorly also. I like the stile and want to get some new ones....Any ideas?
Guess I better get something done...Have a good day..
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Old 01-23-2017, 05:50 AM   #4
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Hello Jeff, I'm admiring your talents and work! Enjoying reading your pursuiys6; keep us posted! Too bad you live so far away, you sound like a really smart handy guy!

Best wishes with your work!

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Old 01-23-2017, 06:20 AM   #5
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Hi, From Mi.

Welcome, Jeff, and I agree- you've made amazing progress in a short time!

Not sure if I understood your question about hinges, but Scamp sells them. Scamp's has 3 bolts on the side that attaches to the shell. The hinge used on vintage Bolers looks similar but has has only 2. Both can be rebuilt with a kit Scamp sells- includes the bolt, spring, and ball.

Since you are committed to excellence, you may be interested to know they can be polished to a high shine. See member Ian G's Boler renovation thread "It Started As a Kitchen Reno- Project Boler." A search should turn it up. Somewhere in the long thread he talks about the hinges. The rest is great reading and inspiration! He also has a website and sells a hinge rebuilt kit using higher quality components than the original. There's a link in his signature.

Can't wait to see your finished work!
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:17 AM   #6
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Thanks, I'll checkout the info some more. The hinges now have three bolts on the shell. The Ball is gone now tho. The hinges were not installed with the ball, just a stack of washes and nuts between the two halves. This was done on both top and bottom hinges. Probably a inch or better separation. Why this was done I have no clue as they had to make new holes anyway. The stack of washers and nuts and longer hinge bolt have damaged it some. I may have to get more than the kit.
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Old 01-23-2017, 12:04 PM   #7
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Where I'm in Ortonville mi if close like to see it

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Old 01-23-2017, 12:28 PM   #8
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Jeff, the fiberglass shell of these little trailers are like a bubble, and require internal components such as closets, seat bases, etc. to support the walls so they don't distort. If a previous owner had removed anything around the door opening, such as framework for a screen door, a closet or bench seat next to the door, the wall will distort enough to cause door figment issues. Some who have had poor door figment have found that the floor next to the door had some rot, so the frame could not support the trailer properly, causing poor door figment.
I would encourage you to get the new Scamp hinges before changing hinge locating points, or door striker, or trimming of the door. Best of luck.
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Old 01-23-2017, 05:34 PM   #9
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Good advise on the door. If you go to the gallery and look under cloud you can see pictures of what it used to be. Page 6 under Historion, I bought the trailer from him. You can zoom in and see the door has had issues for some time. I have the door off the trailer now and if you push the door up so it fits nice the pin stripes don't line up, so I think it was probably not rite when it left the factory. Hope I don't get in trouble trimming the top down maybe a half of an inch. The cloud door is thicker on the inside panel so I don't see that warpage is a issue. I'll for sure have new hinges before starting on that issue. Po also put hinge bolts threw the shell and distorted things a little on the outside and inside liner. May end up cutting into the outside shell to reinforce some. I'm going to paint it back to the gold anyway.
I'm a retired commercial masonary forman and installed hundreds of door frames in cement block walls. Same as with fiberglass before it gets hard both door frame sides better line up top to bottom or the door never will fit rite.
I glassed just the shell down to the floor. I'll glass the rest down after I get it back on the frame with a live load.
The inside is still in nice shape. All the benches and walls and such just fine. A couple of extra holes here and there where they changed curtains. The upper front bunk is missing but most or the hardware is still around. They took care of it, just needs new cushions and some polishing.
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:23 PM   #10
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Jeff, sounds like you have a real treasure for sure. Since you have your trailer apart, and if your door was made like our Scamp door was, I'll tell you what I did to help protect it from water damage. Many on this site have found water intrusion between the inner and outer fiberglass layers of the door, which not only holds water, but causes the interior sandwiched material to swell, mold and be very heavy. This swelling also causes the door to lose it's curve. I had installed a flat paddle style RV handle, so while the hole exposed the inner core material, I removed the window also as preventative measure to add new butyl tape for a good seal. What I did was add fiberglass resin to the openings to seal from any moisture that may eventually get by the butyl tape. Never had any problems using this method.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:06 AM   #11
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Good morning.
Another day back at the office.
Yea, I do have the window out of the door.Sounds like a good idea to resin the window seams shut to help with the water. I also have the front and back window out. Wonder if the idea would be good there also. I took the windows out to run long boards thru the trailer and suspend it from the ceiling so I could work on the bottom. Added supports all along the inside on those boards so the shell didn't try to distort. I've got some pictures, but until my wife can help get them out of my phone and into the computer.... Not that smart. In the first picture is a chair, she calls it my thinking chair.
Oh, and when I built the frame at the door area I added a wider angle iron instead of the short supports they had before. Since there was no way to tell where to stop the new floor I stopped it back some and can add a short strip off wood later to fit and still have support.
Geez..getting kindof long winded here.....Have a good day (that's what I've got on my list!)
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:17 AM   #12
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Hi James,
Its not much to look at at the moment. .....Its not for sale..Altho I don't know why, my idea of camping is flying somewhere renting a car and traveling around a couple of weeks and flying home from somewhere else.
Your only about two hours away.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:37 AM   #13
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You're not that smart Jeff? I beg to differ. Look at all you're doing! Don't be self-deprecating! It's not how smart you are, but how you are smart.

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Old 01-24-2017, 05:45 PM   #14
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You're not that smart Jeff? I beg to differ. Look at all you're doing! Don't be self-deprecating! It's not how smart you are, but how you are smart.

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Agreed! I have a postgraduate degree, but I would be totally lost at attempting what you are accomplishing (and so quickly and efficiently, at that).

Whereabouts in Michigan are you? I grew up between Standish and Gladwin... actually pretty close to the gold rush town of Bentley. (Way back when, they found iron pyrite in the Bentley marsh, and the population swelled to about 500 almost overnight.)
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