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Old 08-23-2013, 07:11 PM   #15
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Dexter or Al-Ko axles.

Couple of recent threads on the subject of axle replacement.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f72/scamp-axle-leading-vs-trailing-60297.html

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f72/scamp-13-axle-60483.html

Axles are available that will fit, you may have to measure and order from factory, possibly do (or have done) a little custom work to cut down one end of the standard bracket or use a side mount bracket kit to mount brackets in slightly different location which changes the distance between the axle brackets just a bit.


Check out those two threads, it will connect you with pictures and what others have done. But if the price is not bad I would really think about dealing direct with scamp as Donna D suggests. Shipping can be expensive from that location, might want to put the money in the gas tank and just go pick axle up, get a chance to see the factory and pick up other parts.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:45 PM   #16
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When I called scamp earlier this week I asked about an axle for my 1980 he said '' we never made a 4 bolt with brakes so I cant help you.'' What I do know is it is welded in place and is a 4 bolt with 2 -1/4" square tube and is 49 -1/2 " outer support rail to outer support rail. It also appears to be a leading axle ? The little arm is facing the tounge of the trailer. The custom order form on redneck trailer has me a bit confounded.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:26 PM   #17
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When I called scamp earlier this week I asked about an axle for my 1980 he said '' we never made a 4 bolt with brakes so I cant help you.'' What I do know is it is welded in place and is a 4 bolt with 2 -1/4" square tube and is 49 -1/2 " outer support rail to outer support rail. It also appears to be a leading axle ? The little arm is facing the tounge of the trailer. The custom order form on redneck trailer has me a bit confounded.
Dexter is known for having a helpful sales staff. They will also take and run the "non-standard" request past their engineers to make sure they can build it.

Here is a link to the Dexter guide to measuring an axle. http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6149609/f/Axle_Measurement.pdf

A leading arm is just a trailing arm turned around BUT the brakes have to be switched to opposite sides because brakes are "left" and "right" and they end up on the wrong side when axle is turned around. I think Dexter will build it with brakes to be a leading arm if informed. I think it is called a "Reverse Orientation" in that diagram of brackets. Notice how the long side of the bracket that comes down to the axle is on the outside of the frame, not the inside, looking from the wheel of your camper you see a solid plate, not the axle sticking through a plate on the other side of the frame.

Look at the picture of the torsion axle, note how the bracket is longer toward the arm, yours is the opposite so... measure your bracket, length, height, width, AND how much of that length is on the front and rear side of the axle.

Scamp has that side cut short so it can weld to the metal frame where the floor drops. So measure your axle bracket.

Diagram your bracket, and axle measurements call either Dexter or Al-Ko and arrange to fax your diagram down for a quote. It will be a dialog, you give them some information, they ask some questions, you clarify. Eventually you work out all the details. You don't have to know everything up front.

I just ordered an axle from Al-Ko but I'm paying a local shop that builds and repairs trailers to handle that dialog with manufacturer and do the install. They are experts and the install is only about $200 You might want to go that route. They measure makes sure your axle fits and is installed by experts.

Al-Ko would NOT make a leading arm with brakes at a low articulation (angle) I ordered 22.5 degree down and that angle they will put brakes on. A leading arm 0 degree they would not, don't know about the 10 degree down angle that is between those two.

Worse case you will need to cut one end of the axle bracket short and square to match up with where your floor drops and the original is welded to that drop frame. You just don't want the end of the bracket you cut off to be the "long" side, you want that long side to remain so you can weld it to the main frame.

Scamp may not have made it with brakes but brakes can be added after the fact, they are part of the hub not the axle itself. They just assumed (maybe correctly maybe not) that it was not one of theirs originally.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:55 PM   #18
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Yep, Getting the right axle from Scamp will be a little expensive, BUT..... getting the wrong axle elsewhere will become very expensive..... Go to the source... but call, don't bother sending an eMail... (lol)
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Old 08-27-2013, 05:53 PM   #19
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I stopped by the place that I ordered my axle through. There was two hold ups. Both might apply to your purchase.

1). This particular configuration no longer has a part number, so Al-Ko had to create a new part number.

2). 4 bolt brake hubs, they don't stock them, would have to purchase some and needed to find a price.

#1 is dealt with, part number now exists to describe this bracket and leading arm configuration.

#2 turns out the man doing the work can get the 4 bolt brake hubs cheaper than Al-Ko so axle will be built with brakes but no hubs, saving me money.

If you PM me (click on name in post and select private message) I can work out a way for you to contact the place and you can get a price and order one if you desire. You will probably save on shipping since instead of common carrier shipping (axle is too heavy for FedEx) they will pick it up on one of their runs down to the factory. You can pick it up from them.

Really only need two dimensions since bracket configuration and dimension is known. Measurement of hub face to hub face and frame to frame.

I should mention that bracket puts axle 1" closer to frame but the 22.5 down angle adds 3.25 inches from what I have now even with the 1" off the bracket, and tire will still have clearance to wheel well under shock load travel listed for this axle.

Essentially bracket is not sticking down so far, should be less torque on the welds. Bracket should be stronger.

It's somewhat doubtful that they will install axle, they will do repairs but are not keen on doing RV work. But they would be a source for the axle. They measure = it will fit.
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