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Old 02-21-2017, 12:47 PM   #15
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We'd love to spend the money just once or twice and get a fiberglass rv. Only problem is weight (for 16') and vertical space (13'). Thank you Kai for the lifespan estimate on aluminums.

My ideal buy (in any situation) would be to buy the one that will last. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any fiberglass campers that stand over 6'2 or 3 and weigh in under or at 2000 lbs.

I'm hoping that we can find the most suitable/cost effective camper that may hopefully last us 10+ years. Maybe by that time there will be better options out there. The whole thing just sucks, because Scamp (and similar makes) trump the aluminums by a wide margin. FG is my obvious choice, but my genes just wont let it happen!
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Old 02-21-2017, 01:34 PM   #16
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Hello everyone,

I've decided that an V8 vehicle is not necessary for my lifestyle, but camping is. I spent my camping youth wrestling pop-ups with my brother and parents. My independent camping experience has been in tents and the back of my X-terra SUV. My long-time girlfriend and I are sick of all that.
Wondering why the awning option is more expensive than the roof A/C unit? Is there a cheaper after-market awning? I was also thinking about not getting the roof ac and buying a portable ac unit instead. (roof seal integrity/ease of replacement/more headroom for me and scamp) Has anyone considered this or know if this may be a bad idea?
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There are many V6s out there that will give you a good tow and decent MPG.
As for the price of an awning.....anything for RV or marine use is 3xs normal .
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Old 02-21-2017, 02:07 PM   #17
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FG is my obvious choice, but my genes just wont let it happen!
Maybe give a fgrv a try out. Thousands of folks seem happy in teardrops and no one can stand it those. ;-)
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:06 PM   #18
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Will you be towing with the Xterra? Is the engine a 4 or a 6?

There are a couple of molded-FG trailers with taller interiors. Eggcamper and Lil Snoozy come to mind. Probably about 2500 lbs, but I must point out that a 2500 lb egg shape or rounded clamshell will tow easier at highway speed than a 1500 lb square trailer of conventional build. I had a 16' x 7'W x 99"H square trailer, KZ Spree Escape E14RB, and got about 11 mpg. Towing a FG trailer, that mpg is more like 14. Wind resistance is a huge factor. Weight comes more into play when you start, stop and climb grades.
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:31 PM   #19
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My tow vehicle is an xterra, 4.0L v-6. Towing cap. is 5000lbs for the motor and tranny, but the short wheelbase and under-sized rear suspension make it more like 3,500 for long distance.

I didn't want to be driving around at capacity all the time, so I dropped the number to 2000+gear (for my own comfort). MPG means less to me than transmission health. I figured more weight would lead to more wear. Of course I dont know that for sure either.
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:40 PM   #20
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For what it's worth, I've been towing my 17B Escape for eight years with a 2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 with a 3,500 / 350 tow and tongue capacity. Most trips involve climbing over the coast mountains of BC.
I have a transmission fluid cooler and I've had every service done on time. Transmission fluid has been flushed and replaced twice, according to the maintenance schedule. There has been no sign of issues with the transmission or the engine.
I think you can relax some.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:55 AM   #21
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I have a Frontier, same engine and transmission as the Xterra. I have 40k miles mostly towing. We've been over the Rockies half a dozen times. No issues. Very strong engine. I'm sure it will pull any of the 16' or 17' fiberglass trailers.

As far as height, I'm 6' 2". When I was shopping I read many threads on this forum. More than once it was pointed out that you don't spend much time standing in a 13' trailer. They're correct. My head skims the roof in a few places. Not a problem.

In a 13' trailer you have a choice. If you get a bathroom, then the dinette is also the bed. We chose to have a permanent bed and a front dinette. Porti potti under the bed. This gives an extra bed if needed, a front window, and the trailer feels larger. If I wanted a bathroom, I'd buy a larger trailer. Personal preference. Good luck, Raz
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Old 02-22-2017, 07:05 AM   #22
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Jonathan, if you check out the thread on this site: Trailer Weights in the Real World, you'll get a wide example of various models and sizes for weight when fully loaded. Go to the "Search" function toward the top of the page and click, then type that in on the bottom line. It's a great thread.


Our Dodge Grand Caravan has a towing capacity of 3600 with a tongue capacity of 360. Our Amerigo weighs about 2200 loaded, tongue weight 240 loaded (260 with the trailer door fully open--what you put on the tongue weighs far more than what you put on the back.


Remember, tongue weight must be 10-15% of total weight, not less than 10% or you'll have a real stability issue when towing.


MANY taller people have found eggs that suit them. (Eggs: fiberglass trailers. We call ours "Peanut" one shell, two nuts)


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Old 02-22-2017, 05:31 PM   #24
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Thanks again!

Wow, lots of good info from you all again. Had me thinking all over the place today, thank you for that, but I think I'll go with my gut and stand by my numbers. My Xterra is 128k miles old and I really love that ugly ol' gal. j/k.

I get the whole not usually standing in the camper, we go camping to be outside anyway. I was sure that I could deal with the ceiling just 1" over my head, if I could have an alternative to the roof mounted a/c. (if I'm wrong, let me know, but my assumption is having to duck around the inside portion of the a/c unit.) The window a/c seems alright, I've seen something like that in a video. How do you get a seal all the way around the window? Do you use foam and replace it every year or three?

Also, we just don't need or want a toilet in a space that size. My dad has a 21ft. Rockwood Roo, it still feels too small for a toilet. Call me weird, but I'd rather sit at an outhouse (or bucket) if I can shower in my own camper. That's another thing though, if we have to keep the toilet to have a place to sit in the shower (bc we can't stand), we'd be unhappy. That's just us though...

The public showers are what feels gross to me, I'm tired of showering with my sandals.
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Showering alternative: 1. Get an ez pop-up privacy tent (base about 4x4).
2. Get a black 5-gallon bucket with a lid.
3. Get some organic soap/detergent (like some sold at Trader Joe's--ask clerks).
4. Fill the bucket at least halfway in the AM and set it in the sun. By late afternoon the water will be nice and warm.
5. Set up your privacy shelter and take the bucket inside. Use a cup, small bucket, or ladle and drizzle yourself with the warm water. Use the organic soap sparingly. Now rinse.
6. Hope you remembered a towel or robe! Dry and cover self.
7. If your campground is picky about water, get a "barrell liner" or small wading pool to stand in while "showering." That way all water is caught, and you can then drag the pool over to a proper drain when you're all finished.
8. Re-dress, go out and pick up, clean up, put away your washing equipment.


9. If you want, they sell battery-operated "shower heads' where you set the bottom down in the bucket of sun-warmed water and the top sprays you with a shower-like spray. We nearly bought one but decided the fewer gadgets to feed and repair and replace, the better.


Our system is very lo-tech, and is miserable on a cold or windy day. Then there are "Elvis baths" inside the rig using a basin and a cup and a washcloth, etc. Not very satisfactory, but it does the job. After all, we're camping! Gotta be a little smudgy. The dirty badge of courage, so to speak.


There are as many solutions as there are campers, just about. I don't like showering while sitting on a toilet, myself, either. And I need lots of elbow room, and not with hard things around me to get bumped on. And I'm not thrilled with public showers, either. So we developed this low-tech solar system--surprise, it works pretty well.


And our doggies sleep in the wading pool under my bed at night in the trailer, so it's not even extra equipment to haul along. We just have to dry it before letting them back into it. (And showering in it really cleans it out, too!)


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I'm 6'1" and 240 lbs. (if I spit before getting on the scale) I use a pre-2007 Scamp 13 however I do not spend a lot of time sitting inside. And yes I have to avoid bumping the roof vent above the bed. No big whoop, about like going a little wide to miss a coffee table in the living room.


That being true I think you might want to look at Casita, I think they might be a touch taller. And they are an alternative in the same price range as Scamp.


Lot depends on how you camp, I'm inside if it rains so hard I can't be out under a tarp or awning, or is too cold for sitting by a fire. And to sleep. Other people cook and eat inside.


Traveling a small easy to flip up awning right there on the camper for a little shade or to keep rain out of the door when going in and out can be most useful. For longer stays a larger shelter or screen tent would probably be welcome. Some of those weigh like 80# so I am not a fan of those.
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Wow, lots of good info from you all again. Had me thinking all over the place today
Jonothan,

Thinking is good. Seeing and doing are two other things that can really help to refine the decision.

I am not intending to be rude here. I've posted several times here, as others have, regarding how what we initially thought we wanted and needed changed over time.

Sometimes those changes are due to changes in circumstances, sometimes they come from the experience we gain by doing.

Notwithstanding my background with camping and backpacking, not to mention all of my research and spreadsheets, my views changed considerably over a relatively short period once we started "doing". As just one example, I changed from "just an ice chest please; they are so much simpler and won't ever break down" to "WOW, I can keep my food cold for weeks at a time in a propane refrigerator. Does anyone else out there know how GREAT these things are?"

On the other hand, we bought our Casita having never even seen one. In fact, we had not been inside any molded fiberglass trailer at all.

The Casita matched my expectations entirely. On the other hand, my dear wife had to get over her initial shock as to how small it was. However, she has since become very content with it. But, I've seen at least one ordered-new trailer for sale that claimed the owners only camped in it one night as they immediately decided it was such a poor decision.

There is an old saying about buying your third RV first because it often takes people a few tries to find what best suits them. It's a very personal decision and the answer is ultimately unique for every person and couple.

Over time, seeing and doing will ultimately facilitate making decisions that better suit you. If you have the flexibility to change your choice of trailer later on, then jump in and start "doing". We started with a teardrop and actually enjoyed it a lot, but decided to get a "standee" as our ambitions evolved. I suspect in turn that there may actually be a "third RV" here one day.

If you haven't already, you might throw hard-shell A-frame popups into the mix too. They are just another type to consider; they come with their own unique pros and cons.

Good luck on your quest there!
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