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Old 12-19-2014, 09:48 AM   #15
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The first consideration when choosing a tow vehicle is the Manufacturers Towing Specifications listed in the owners manual for that specific vehicle. If that doesn't fit, keep looking.


There are any number of examples where the same base vehicle can have a wide range of towing ability depending on drive line and trim. A good example is the 2003 Blazer/Jimmy SUV that has a range of 2000 lbs to 5800 lbs, all depending on the driveline and trim level (I know, I have one).


DO NOT listen to/believe what is said by the sales person/seller or Joe the mechanic. The manufacturer's specification trumps all opinions.


Also be aware be aware of tongue weight limits. Some popular vehicles do not have a tongue weight limit high enough for towing the maximum towing weight rating when following the rule of thumb of 10% (or more) of trailer weight on the tongue.


So... when you know the weight of your dream trailer, ask even more questions. (BTW: That's actual, loaded weight, not mfg's empty weight)
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I would decide what size trailer I would want, then purchase a tow vehicle (TV) that is rated to tow that size and weight.

Looking at used, or planning renovations, remember that the internal fiberglass items, seats, cabinets, etc. are often part of the structure of the rig and should not be removed or modified extensively.

Good luck with your search. It is exciting!
The boler cupboards are the wall support
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Old 12-19-2014, 12:13 PM   #17
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Mary,

If your Matrix is really rated at 1500 pounds (S or XRS?), then you
might be interested in the following:

In October 2013, when we picked up our Scamp13 Layout1+54"bed, our
best tow vehicle was a Honda CRV that also had a 1500 pound tow weight
limit as published by Honda.

Our Scamp has tons of options (i.e. the Option 1 package plus gray water
tank, electric brakes, extra 110v and 12v outlets, lots of interior lights,
Group 27 battery, side and front porch lights, fiberglass backsplash,
3-speed Fantastic fan, and every overhead storage cabinet we could get.
Pictures can be found in a later segment of this thread:
Scamp Full Size Bed = Smaller Table Size

We did leave off the front bathroom (we got a porta-potti & usually use
flush toilets and showers in the campgrounds), the furnace (a small
electric space heater is more than enough), and the AC (the Fantastic Fan
has worked very well. We also intend to go north in the summer and
south in the winter, and we could take along a portable AC unit when
we really need it or use one of the "back window" AC mods), and the
awning (we use a CLAM 1660 Mag Screen Tent)


So .... Although we were careful about the weight of some of the options,
I don't really feel that we are too stripped down.

There is another thread from someone in California that has AC and
found that she was just over her 1500 limit.
13' Scamp Weight

As long as you recognize that you are towing at the upper limit of
your Matrix's rated capacity, you might be alright?
Just some thoughts .... As always YMMV.

Best of luck with your decision(s)!

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Old 12-23-2014, 04:17 PM   #18
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If Mary isn't confused by all this advise she is a quick study. First off she started by clearly stating she knows the Matrix is not a good choice as a tow vehicle.
I agree with her 100%. The Matrix is a Corolla with a different body style. It is one of the top rated family compact sedans but not a tow vehicle. She knows it will not work so please don't try to sell her the idea that it can do the job.

Mary...first look at a lot of travel trailers and find one that works for you....then determine what it weighs fully loaded and ready for the open road. Then add about 10% to that weight as a safety margin. That is then the target weight for the towing capacity of your new tow vehicle. Use only the manufacture's listed maximum tow rating....now go looking for the SUV or truck that can do the job.
You might note I did not include "car" in that list....why....IMHO to tow safely you need the weight a truck or SUV (and the horsepower/ft. Lbs. of tourque) produced by such a vehicle to handle the task of towing a fully loaded travel trailer. If you get the right combination you will enjoy the experience and be a very "Happy Camper".

Check the "Consumers Reports" rating for any vehicle you select as they have done the research that will help you select a vehicle that will give you less problems down the road.

Good luck.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:44 PM   #19
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If Mary isn't confused by all this advise she is a quick study. First off she started by clearly stating she knows the Matrix is not a good choice as a tow vehicle.
I agree with her 100%. The Matrix is a Corolla with a different body style. It is one of the top rated family compact sedans but not a tow vehicle. She knows it will not work so please don't try to sell her the idea that it can do the job.

Mary...first look at a lot of travel trailers and find one that works for you....then determine what it weighs fully loaded and ready for the open road. Then add about 10% to that weight as a safety margin. That is then the target weight for the towing capacity of your new tow vehicle. Use only the manufacture's listed maximum tow rating....now go looking for the SUV or truck that can do the job.
You might note I did not include "car" in that list....why....IMHO to tow safely you need the weight a truck or SUV (and the horsepower/ft. Lbs. of tourque) produced by such a vehicle to handle the task of towing a fully loaded travel trailer. If you get the right combination you will enjoy the experience and be a very "Happy Camper".
No car? Why not. Many folks believe cars make the best TV's.

BTW....we tow with a car, are happy campers, and our trailer is 3 times the weight of what Mary would be considering.

PS.... If she has a small fortune and the will to spend it on a pick up there is a lot to choose from....
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:10 PM   #20
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Per Posts #18 & 19


I don't think that "As long as you recognize that you are towing at the upper limit of
your Matrix's rated capacity, you might be alright?" is all that good of advice, especially for a newbie to trailer towing. It's best to leave a bit of extra headroom in capacity for, as many of us know, our trailers seem to get a bit heaver than expected.


And I agree that there are a number of passenger cars that can make excellent tow vehicles, but it also seems that many, if not most, economical/inexpensive passenger cars don't fit that category.


BTW: The Chevy behemoths shown are not really pick-ups, they are a incomplete Suburban SUV with a inadequate sized bed. Ditto for the Honda Ridgeline.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:25 PM   #21
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Hi Mary! It is good that you asked the questions you did. Some people find what they want by buying one after the other until they end up with the right trailer. You need to ask yourself how are you going to use the trailer? You said, "get in and go so fully functional is what I'm looking for." So did I so I purchased a trailer I did not need to convert from a dinette into a bed when I wanted to sleep and so on. Do you always want to be in a campground with full hookups or do want to go remote; boon-docking or a mix of both? Any pets? How many people? Where are you going? Will it sometimes be really cold needing insulation and a heater or really hot requiring AC and maybe a generator from time to time to run it? I say all of this because the first question you need to answer is, "How are you going to use it?"...then go to the rally in Florida that was mentioned and look at the rigs and talk to everyone. You will then know exactly what you want and why. Welcome and good luck!

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Old 12-23-2014, 10:40 PM   #22
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Thanks everyone for your posts. I will go to the Scamp Rally in Sebring in February. That park is one of my favorites. I appreciate the time and effort each one of you took in responding to my questions. I will find the right RV first then purchase the towing vehicle as suggested. I am in no hurry and might try renting a few different RVs before making a decision. I am thoroughly enjoying this friendly group. Once again, thanks all!
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:47 PM   #23
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I tow a new Escape 5.0TA with a V6.. okay, so it's an Ecoboost and is rated for more than twice the weight of the Escape. The point is.. pay attention to the tow weight of YOUR tow vehicle. Buy the trailer first...
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:00 AM   #24
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Sounds good Mary. Take your time with your new venture. It's kinds nice to get the trailer and TV right the first time. As far as a TV goes, whatever that may be, do your research and be sure it is connected optimally with a proper connection system etc. Also make every effort to buy a trailer with brakes.

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Old 12-24-2014, 10:38 AM   #25
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Mary -

I think attending the Sebring Scamp Camp is an excellent idea!
(Francie and I will be there from Sunday night until Friday/Saturday.)
You will undoubtedly see all kinds of trailers and tow vehicles.

When pilots select an airplane to rent or own, they often consider the
"mission profile" (i.e. "How far will I be going?"; "How many passengers
will I be carrying?"; "What is the purpose of the flight; sightseeing or
cross country travel?"; "Do I have the skill and experience to fly in
the expected conditions?", etc.)

I think that the same kinds of questions could be applied to trailer+TV
selection (i.e. "How often will I go?"; "How far will I go?"; "How long
will I stay out on each trip?"; "Will 90% of my destinations have good
flush toilets and showers?"; "How many people will I need to sleep?";
"Will "gas mileage" be much of a factor in my decision to go or not?";
"If my intended tow vehicle also serves as an "everyday driver", what
is the HP/Torque/MPG and how big a vehicle do I want to drive and
park every day?" )

While I agree that it might be nice to make the perfect decision the
first time, I don't believe that it is essential. I'm not sure that you
will ever truly know what trailer and options will suit you until you
have been out camping/traveling for a while?

After Sebring, I'd suggest making the best decision that you can,
purchasing something as quickly as seems reasonable to you, and
getting out and doing some camping/traveling.
Make some memories!

Considering that used FGRVs are scarce and the resale values are
fairly high, the penalty for a "less than perfect" decision is only the
effort and cost of the initial purchase price minus the expected resale
value. (You might also consider the delta between purchase and
possible resale as "renting" the trailer from yourself? )

While our 2011 Honda CRV was and still is a great everyday driver
and was at least "adequate" as a tow vehicle, I much prefer to tow
a trailer that weighs much less than my tow vehicles rated capacity.
That is why we recently replaced my older "work car" with a 2014
Ford Escape 2.0L I4 Ecoboost with ~240hp and ~270 ft/lbs of torque.
(If you are towing with a lighter vehicle and near the top of your
vehicles rated capacity, I would definitely consider adding brakes
to your trailer. IMHO- While most other options are about
convenience/comfort - trailer brakes are about safety.)

While some folks are apparently skilled and patient enough to tow
at (or above?) their tow vehicles rated capacity, I don't think that
option is for everyone.

Just for fun ... and food for thought, below is the rig that was parked
2 spaces away from us at the LBL (Land Between the Lakes) rally.

Apparently, there was a whole group with similar rigs that made a
trek up to Alaska.

As always, these ideas and opinions may be worth about what you
paid for them ($0.00) and YMMV.

Good luck with your decision(s)!

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That is why we recently replaced my older "work car" with a 2014
Ford Escape 2.0L I4 Ecoboost with ~240hp and ~270 ft/lbs of torque.
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Ray, the weight to power ratio of your rig is about 24lbs per 1HP. That is an amazing number. To say you have power to spare is an understatement.
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Wayne,
..... and we are getting 21-23 mpg towing at 60-62 mph.

So, I don't believe that I will even think twice about fuel costs
if my wife wants to hitch up and head for California, Canada,
Alaska, the New England Coast, Florida, or the Gulf Coast.

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