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Old 07-30-2015, 05:17 PM   #29
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Looks like it might be sitting a little low..
How is the axle? Is there enough clearance? Is there "spring" left in the suspension?
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:05 PM   #30
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Hi I'm Steven & this is my 79 Boler/Scamp

Why do you want to replace the Ensolite? We're talking a lot of work and expense, and the alternative, if you want insulation with a paintable, washable surface is… Ensolite (or a similar closed cell foam product).

I presume you are not happy with the current paint job… The real question in my mind is how you would go about removing a bad paint job from Ensolite, or at least prepping it correctly for a repaint. I'm not sure, but I'll bet there's someone out there who does.

BTW- the "rat fur" is really a kind of marine hull liner. It is water and mildew resistant, very sturdy, and cleans up pretty easily. I would have no qualms about using it around young children.
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Old 07-30-2015, 09:37 PM   #31
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My 74 Boler has elephant skin and a twisty metal post on left side of counter, right next to the sink. Looks like you're doing a thorough resto, Steven!
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Old 07-30-2015, 11:00 PM   #32
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Does anyone know of a link to someone who has fiberglassed a new floor to the body of a Boler/Scamp? Maybe a "How to" or something? I would really like to go off someone else's expertise on this when I go to do it. I've never used fiberglass in my life... there's a first time for everything though! Just want to maker sure I do it right the FIRST TIME! otherwise this thread is going to get pretty sad... pretty quick lol
Check out my post Our 1971 13' Boler mods I replace all the floors with photos & detailed description...I haven't updated it in a few weeks because I have been busy working on painting the body & also installing the a/c under the lower bunk but I will try to get it updated this weekend...
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Old 07-31-2015, 08:02 AM   #33
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I personally dont like the painted interiors...but ummm, "rat fur" (ala Marine Upholstery) comes to mind here. Seriously, over on our Scampers Yahoo group, a guy just dug this info out and found an actual source (other than Scamp) for this material.

http://www.ozite.com/dfiles/HullLiner.pdf
A little background here as I understand it. I'm not as familiar with Scamps, but the ratfur in Casitas is carpeting on top of about 3/4 inch foam insulation.
Parkliners used the headliner in the link (or equivalent) over a very efficient aluminized insulation that comes in rolls.
I think using the headliner directly on the inside of the shell with no insulation would prove very difficult to provide any temperature control.

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Old 07-31-2015, 09:00 AM   #34
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Looks like it might be sitting a little low..
How is the axle? Is there enough clearance? Is there "spring" left in the suspension?
Yes it is, I'm in process of getting a new axle, just got to get the shell of first to take it to the trailer shop.
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Old 07-31-2015, 09:06 AM   #35
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Why do you want to replace the Ensolite? We're talking a lot of work and expense, and the alternative, if you want insulation with a paintable, washable surface is… Ensolite (or a similar closed cell foam product).

I presume you are not happy with the current paint job… The real question in my mind is how you would go about removing a bad paint job from Ensolite, or at least prepping it correctly for a repaint. I'm not sure, but I'll bet there's someone out there who does.

BTW- the "rat fur" is really a kind of marine hull liner. It is water and mildew resistant, very sturdy, and cleans up pretty easily. I would have no qualms about using it around young children.

With leaks and such, I wasn't sure how much longer the current insolation would last, or if it might have something growing underneath...

The PO's painted it that green color and yes I'm too fond of it, also makes it feel small in there because its a darker color. (and lets face it... you don't want a 13' camper to feel any smaller than it already is! lol)

I'm not against using new Ensolite and painting over it, but I haven't looked into the cost.

This is a project that I hope to only do once and I want to make sure that I'm please with the results, so I want to explore every reasonable option as I work through the process. Don't want to be saying "Man, wish I would have done that before I put ______ in there..." I'm sure everyone around here has one of those stories! lol
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Old 07-31-2015, 09:08 AM   #36
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A little background here as I understand it. I'm not as familiar with Scamps, but the ratfur in Casitas is carpeting on top of about 3/4 inch foam insulation.
Parkliners used the headliner in the link (or equivalent) over a very efficient aluminized insulation that comes in rolls.
I think using the headliner directly on the inside of the shell with no insulation would prove very difficult to provide any temperature control.

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I agree Walt, probably need some kind of rubber or foil (or both) backing being the marine carpet
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Regarding the shell lining... I agree- it's something you want to get right the first time.

Any way you might get to a FG egg rally in the near future? Getting a first-hand look and feel of the three main options- foil bubble-backed hull liner ("rat fur"), vinyl-covered closed cell foam ("elephant hide"), and foam-backed carpet- might help you make your decision. And you may well run into a custom interior that's better for you than any of them.

FYI- Scamps (since the 80's) use the first option, vintage Scamps, Bolers, Trilliums, etc. and current Escapes use the second, and Casitas use the third. In terms of numbers on the road, it's probably close to a 3-way tie.
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:09 AM   #38
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Check out my post Our 1971 13' Boler mods I replace all the floors with photos & detailed description...I haven't updated it in a few weeks because I have been busy working on painting the body & also installing the a/c under the lower bunk but I will try to get it updated this weekend...
OH BOY.... Well... Wish I would have read your post about your flooring project before I did mine... Oh well, whats done is done. I may have a harder time lining up my new floor to the side is some spots because I didn't "Neatly" cut it out like you did. It was so rotted around the back that I just fell apart and didn't leave much fiberglass underneath.

So I've been pondering Installing some sort of lip (maybe something out of aluminum) all the way around the body on the interior that would then rest on top of the wood floor and allow you to screw through it to mate the body and the floor together without the use of fiber glass. I would either rivet it to the body like there other pieces were or use sheetmetal screws. I know it would create a line of screws all the way around it but I've been things of using Truck bed liner for the bottom half anyway and it would likely cover them up and not be very noticeable.
It would be something kind of like what some scamps have where the bulk bed wood slides into it for support. I think there called Channel mounts... @BerregoDave used one to make a toddler bulk bed
Adding a bunk bed to our front bath 13' Scamp
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:15 AM   #39
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Regarding the shell lining... I agree- it's something you want to get right the first time.

Any way you might get to a FG egg rally in the near future? Getting a first-hand look and feel of the three main options- foil bubble-backed hull liner ("rat fur"), vinyl-covered closed cell foam ("elephant hide"), and foam-backed carpet- might help you make your decision. And you may well run into a custom interior that's better for you than any of them.

FYI- Scamps (since the 80's) use the first option, vintage Scamps, Bolers, Trilliums, etc. and current Escapes use the second, and Casitas use the third. In terms of numbers on the road, it's probably close to a 3-way tie.
Thats great info Jon! Thank you! I would love to go to a rally sometime, I don't think Oklahoma has one, might have to start one here! 😊 There are LOTS of great camping places around here. Its early to decide but I might do the Elephant hide route again... something maybe a little big thicker though for those hot summer months around here! lol
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:30 PM   #40
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I have been there and done that. I could tell you some of =what I did and how if you want, but I could not type it out! PM me your # if you like And I will give you some Free Advice.....worth just what you pay for it!
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:31 AM   #41
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BUSY!

Man, I've been REALLY busy the last month of so with work and working on the trailer! Heres a few things I've gotten done:

-half of the interior pieces have been stripped of the old paint, sanded, and repainted, only lacking a clear coat. The other half have been stripped of paint and need a little more sanding, but are almost ready for paint.

- Removed the leaking skylight and put a old rain fly over the top to keep it from getting a lot of water in the trailer.

- I also scrubbed the top and sides with CLR mold mildew cleaning which seemed to work pretty well for the most part.

-I didn't have or know anyone that had a sandblaster, so I just used a heavy duty wire wheel to try and knock off as much rust as I could on the frame while I was waiting for the Axel to come in.

-After over 3 weeks (they said 7-10 days lol) My axel finally came in! Cost $350 with elect. Brakes! My buddy and his dad do a lot of welding, so I asked him if he would weld it on for me and I would pay him for it. (the shop was going to charge me $80 an hr, and said it would probably be 2 hrs to do it!) The next week I took the frame up to my buddy's dad's shop and took the old axle off and welded the new one on! (Side note: I thought I would just keep my old rims and get new tires for them. Well, I work for a salvage company and we had bought a couple walmarts and we got the tires in them too. So when I went to go look for the tires I needed, all I could find was ones with rims, that were 5 lug, not 4! I told the guy I wanted a 4 lug axle since I was just going to reuse the rims to save some money. Well I needed up having to pay $45 dollars for dismount, dismount, & remount. and had to paint the old rims to boot! GEEZE that sure didn’t work out how I had planned! lol)

-Once we got the axle on my buddy new I wanted to do some other mods to the trailer and offered to help me do them. One of those mods was to cut out a section of the frame and brace/reinforce it like the door side is. I bought a large door fridge to put under the kitchen cabinet, but based on my measurements, I new it wouldn’t fit. Cutting out that section of the frame and reinforcing like the door side would give me the extra inches I needed to get it in there. �� He Also replace the angle iron in the center floor to add some more support.
Lastly we added a small storage shelf thats removable and can actually be stored under the trailer when its not being use! Also his Dad just happened to have a used tongue jack with a wheel! Mine was broken and I was going to have to order one on Amazon for $35+ dollars. Its not very pretty, but its works great! All in All, I tried to pay him $200 for the 8+ hrs he help me on it, and he would only take $160. (said it was a friend discount lol) He saved me 35 on the jack and a lot of headache on the fridge situation so I think I came out pretty darn good!

-Once I got the trailer home, I started the painting process. I’ve put 3 coats on now, and I’m quite sure I’m happy with it, but It will have to do for now since I have no time to re-due it.

-Next step is to get those last few interior pieces painted and ready to go back in the trailer so that I can start sealing up all the holes and leaking spots before the floor goes back in.

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