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Old 10-21-2011, 12:06 AM   #1
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Hi to all

Thought I'd say Hi. I have a 2010 16' Scamp that I bought new. I'm a fulltimer, most of the time. Long story, but the Scamp is the only home I own. I travel with my 2 border collies, Badger and Kiwi, so they have been accommodated in the trailer as well. I spend a lot of time in rugged and remote areas so this trailer sees some hard use. I was in the mountains of Wyoming all summer with travels through Washington, Idaho, Oregon, Montana, and California. This winter I'm at the southern Oreon coast. I've done a lot of modifications to my trailer to make it usable for fulltiming. I hope to share some of what I've learned. Here is a partial list:
14" wheel/tire conversion
14" spare tire holder modification
water system upgrades
LED conversion
floodlight backup lights.
cookstove exhaust hood installation
electrical system upgrades

My current project is a rebuild / redesign of the suburban heater. Too much noise and too much power consumption.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:21 AM   #2
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David,

How did you upgrade your water system?
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:59 AM   #3
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David, Welcome to the group! It sounds like you've seen some beautiful country in your travels. If you can, please post some photos I'm sure that many of us would love to see them
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:50 AM   #4
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David,

How did you upgrade your water system?
Hi,
My trailer came with the electric water pump option which included a Shurflo pump and a small faucet in the sink. For my needs that system was useless. It would not operate at low water flow without excessive pulsing. That's a problem when you are trying to conserve water. Secondly, the little faucet was too low and short to do much of anything with. You couldn't rinse a pot or pan under it, and you could barely wash your hands. I swapped out the faucet for a swiveling high rise bar type, but the restricted flow of that smaller delivery tube made the pulsing even worse .
I finally ditched the Shurflo for a Flojet. The Flojet has an internal bypass that runs much more quietly and reduces the pulsing to barely noticable. When you have a restriction, like a partially open faucet, it bypasses the pressure surges through the pump.
Now I can rinse pots and pans, fill a water bottle, or even brush my teeth without blowing toothpaste everywhere . Kinda makes you wonder what the other parts were actually intended to do

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Old 10-21-2011, 09:54 AM   #5
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David, Welcome to the group! It sounds like you've seen some beautiful country in your travels. If you can, please post some photos I'm sure that many of us would love to see them
Hi Pam,
I've seen some incredible landcapes, but I rarely take photos. I'm out there everyday, so..... Maybe now that I'm here talking to everyone I'll snap some shots along my way.
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Old 10-21-2011, 10:48 AM   #6
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Keep us posted on the rebuild / redesign of the suburban heater. That's one thing I hate in my scamp,the heater makes to much noise.
Pictures would be GREAT of all upgrades you do.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:15 PM   #7
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Keep us posted on the rebuild / redesign of the suburban heater. That's one thing I hate in my scamp,the heater makes to much noise.
Pictures would be GREAT of all upgrades you do.
I'll do that Kevin. The plan in a nut shell is to cover that noisey sheet metal housing with sound deadener. Next is to look at isolating the unit from the cabinet. Cutting down all that resonance will help a lot. I want to kill that load snap when the furnace first kicks on too. I think it is the propane valve. Last is replacing the fan units in the furnace with brushless DC fans. They cost a fraction of the original, run forever, and draw very little power. I just need to match the CFM and physical requirements. I'll document the process and parts though

If it were up me, I'd give the suburban guys a year in prison with one of their quality furnaces right in the cell . Ater a year of sleeping in 15 minute intervals maybe they would see the value in designing something that works,...ya think?
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:32 AM   #8
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Hi David, I somehow missed your post and welcoming you to FiberglassRV. Lots of nice, helpful people hang out here.

So... welcome!
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:44 AM   #9
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Thanks Donna, I get that! I always enjoy your posts especially.

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Old 10-22-2011, 11:47 PM   #10
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DavidSo said:
"If it were up me, I'd give the suburban guys a year in prison with one of their quality furnaces right in the cell . Ater a year of sleeping in 15 minute intervals maybe they would see the value in designing something that works,...ya think?
David"

Welcome to FGRV!!

Your quote above is precisely why we use an oil filled radiator type. Of course this does tie us to a power tree. but the heater is virtually silent, and no hot/cold cycles:
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Old 10-23-2011, 10:09 PM   #11
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Too bad they don't make a hot water radiator system for campers, that would be quiet! Wouldn't need much for a small camper like ours.
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Old 10-23-2011, 10:59 PM   #12
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DavidSo said:
"If it were up me, I'd give the suburban guys a year in prison with one of their quality furnaces right in the cell . Ater a year of sleeping in 15 minute intervals maybe they would see the value in designing something that works,...ya think?
David"

Welcome to FGRV!!

Your quote above is precisely why we use an oil filled radiator type. Of course this does tie us to a power tree. but the heater is virtually silent, and no hot/cold cycles:
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I love those heaters but I can't rely on grid power very often. Did you know that they make a pint sized version of that heater? It's half the height of the full size and plenty of output for a little trailer. They kind of sound like a deep fat fryer when you start them up which is very comforting
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Old 10-23-2011, 11:18 PM   #13
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Too bad they don't make a hot water radiator system for campers, that would be quiet! Wouldn't need much for a small camper like ours.
You know, when I first read that I was thinking it wouldn't be any better because you stiill have to heat the water.....but then

You could have a heated floor by running copper tubing in a grid like they do in high dollar homes. It would take just a tiny pump to keep the water/antifreeze moving, and probably a very small burner as well. You might even create a thermo mechanical pump and eliminate the electicity completely.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:06 PM   #14
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You know, when I first read that I was thinking it wouldn't be any better because you stiill have to heat the water.....but then

You could have a heated floor by running copper tubing in a grid like they do in high dollar homes. It would take just a tiny pump to keep the water/antifreeze moving, and probably a very small burner as well. You might even create a thermo mechanical pump and eliminate the electicity completely.
David
They actually have floor heating that is purely electric no need for the water or tubing. It's also advertised as very cost effective and low wattage. It might have to go under tile though (weight) I wonder if anyone has tried this in an RV?
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