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Old 11-05-2017, 02:10 PM   #15
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I maintain those manufactures underrate their cars or trucks to protect themselves on warrantees!

I don't think going over by a few hundred pounds is going to hurt the tug! I think watching your fluids closely is most important in towing. Watch the smell of your transmission fluid for burn smell and do not get stuck this is the hardest thing on a transmission there is. Get it hot once and get ready for the repair shop.

Been there done that several times and everytime on tear down the transmission filter would be clogged rendering the movement of transmission fluid down to nothing.

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:Bob it's the Tranny that can't handle the weight, once your transmission quits so do you and to rebuild them costs anywhere from $2-$3000.00 so is it worth it and if you read what Mary and Bob are packing it is a wonder they haven't destroyed the CRV already plus their trailer does not come with brakes.
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Old 11-05-2017, 02:35 PM   #16
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if you read what Mary and Bob are packing it is a wonder they haven't destroyed the CRV already plus their trailer does not come with brakes.
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All our driving is on the East coast where it's mostly flat terrain. The car gets oil changes about every 2500 miles. One brake job in its 170,000 mile life so far. The car and trailer loaded correctly, nothing real heavy, and the trailer tows really good. We expect many more miles out of it, it's been a really good car with the worst problem being the starter failed and had to be replaced. Waiting for Norm to comment about how he towed a Scamp 16 around the country a few times with his CRV with no problems.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:57 PM   #17
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After reading lots of posts we're getting ready to buy. A big question for us though is can our car handle towing ? It's a very trusty 2003 Honda CRV. Super high mileage and we've had it for ten years. ( So not going to get much if we have to sell it) The plan before the camper dream was to drive it into the ground.
James,

Welcome to the forum. We had a Passat AWD wagon that I looked forward to driving until the wheels fell off. Then, "trailers happened". We have since bought two successively more capable tow vehicles, and two fiberglass trailers.

It's all going to depend on what you want. The CRV sounds compatible with a teardrop, which is how we got started just a few years ago.

We really took to trailers and gradually moved up to our third, now on order. Some people don't take to it like they think they will. Others do.

I think folks have provided you some very good options to consider here. You might start with something your vehicle will handle and go from there with the risk that you will end up wanting a larger trailer. Or, you could go all-in with a larger tow vehicle with a risk that having a trailer won't be as fun as envisioned. So, there's a lot to figure here.
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:53 PM   #18
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mary and bob I have towed a 20f fiberglass I/o hooked a 32f 5th wheel to a 1976 dodge 318 p/u all over the Ozarks some pretty good hills. I wont do that any more but that truck never gave me a moments problems.


I also tugged the same rig hooked to a Pontiac boating. I am now pulling a 13f scamper with a ford edge 2.0. I don't drive over 60 55 most of the time. I watch my transmission on hills paddle shift to 5th going up.


I also watch oil changes and transmission fluid changes very carefully. I have no trailer brakes and don't need them. I once drove a 90 cadilac 450k miles using the same guidelines for the car. I do my own oil changes and transmission fluid changes I don't trust the quick change places and I don't believe in transmission fluid flushes I change the transmission filter when I change the fluid!


now the ford edge is a different animal for transmission checks for some reason ford with their better idea fixed it so you have to jack the car up leval to check transmission fluid really makes me mad as then I have to take it to my mechanic who I trust and he lets me hang around there.


different strokes for different folks I guess


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Old 11-05-2017, 05:10 PM   #19
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All our driving is on the East coast where it's mostly flat terrain. The car gets oil changes about every 2500 miles. One brake job in its 170,000 mile life so far. The car and trailer loaded correctly, nothing real heavy, and the trailer tows really good. We expect many more miles out of it, it's been a really good car with the worst problem being the starter failed and had to be replaced. Waiting for Norm to comment about how he towed a Scamp 16 around the country a few times with his CRV with no problems.
Bob,

If memory serves, you are retired mechanic; correct? And Norm and Ginny have a few miles of experience, right?

I say that if someone is making well-informed decisions as to how they tow, what they tow with, and is making the appropriate adjustments in their driving style and their vehicle maintenance, then go for it.

I can't say I'd always offer the same encouragement to others who appear to approach this sort of thing from the perspective of less knowledge and/or more wishful thinking. But, it sounds to me like you've got it under control there.

And, hey, my approval and $5.00 will get you a latte, so enjoy!
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:28 PM   #20
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if you read what Mary and Bob are packing it is a wonder they haven't destroyed the CRV already plus their trailer does not come with brakes.
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All our driving is on the East coast where it's mostly flat terrain. The car gets oil changes about every 2500 miles. One brake job in its 170,000 mile life so far. The car and trailer loaded correctly, nothing real heavy, and the trailer tows really good. We expect many more miles out of it, it's been a really good car with the worst problem being the starter failed and had to be replaced. Waiting for Norm to comment about how he towed a Scamp 16 around the country a few times with his CRV with no problems.[/QUOTE]:Mary/Bob usually in your glove box you get a manual all about your vehicle and in there it will tell you exactly what you can tow. It is not a matter if the Trailer has brakes or not, it is what that state your towing through or into says what size or weight your towing has to have brakes and if you get pulled aside and they are not up to that states standards then it is Ticket time.
Geez up here in BC there are a lot of upset Drivers because they are now going after them by pulling them over and checking for proper snow tires starting Oct. 1 every year and it is about time. To many people figure all season is the way to go but we got a lot of snow last year and there were cars left all over the place and a lot of them got towed and fined, not cheap then on top of that you now have to buy tires with the MS and snow flakes on them.
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:29 PM   #21
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Correct Mike, retired mechanic on big trucks here. And an excellent post by you as always with good points. Even though our CRV worked for us, it was close to it's limit. I was looking for a larger vehicle when friends offered to sell us their Casita SD 17 at a price too good to pass up. After a frustrating search a very low mileage Dodge Ram appeared with the Hemi engine, so it now is used for both the Casita and Uhaul, and the CRV tows our 700 lb teardrop.
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:39 PM   #22
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Any time our 2010 Honda Element, which has a CRV drivetrain, sees a big hill, it barely can keep up with traffic, and thats with no trailer. We love our Element, but as a tow rig, not so much.

We were considering pulling a bunkhouse motorcycle popup (~350 pounds) behind our Element, which would have worked fine. But we then got a larger molded trailer, so we ended that plan.

I like having adequate margin to spare, the ability to go up even big hills at normal speeds. We towed a trailer years ago with a marginal tow vehicle. Never again. If you want to get an RV trailer, plan on getting an adequate tow vehicle to pull it.

Sure, if I was just camping near my home, and if I lived in a flat area, I might try to tow a really small trailer with the Element. But since we live in the mountains, its not practical.
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Old 11-05-2017, 08:32 PM   #23
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Reread Post 14, by Chris from Comax

Welcome, I'm less familiar with the Canadian Court system, but Chris nailed it:
"And one other fact to consider.. Should the GVWR of your trailer exceed the weight that your tug(tow vehicle) is certified to tow your insurance will be void, even if you install transmission cooler on the tug and brakes on the trailer.. My suggestion is to determine which trailer you would like to have, buy the tug then the trailers..
Wishing you luck and success in the process - like some folks say, the journey can be as exciting as the destination.."


Good luck finding an insurance carrier who will cover you while exceeding your vehicle's limits. You will want to carry insurance, because if your overweight, possibly no trailer brakes, rig hits someone's family, God help you. You will not just lose your toys. Many judges, juries, and your own lawyer will see to it that you lose everything. If you lose control, there's also your own family to consider.

Kinda hard to believe some here will just tell you, "Don't worry, be happy." Tell that to the judge.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:03 PM   #24
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When I first thought about trailers, I wanted to use my wonderful little Corolla 5 speed to tow. Found that I was limited to the Aspen opoup motorcycle camper (450 lbs total) or later on, a teardrop. A small one.
Started to investigate larger campers that would necessitate buying a heftier tug. RvTravel.com newsletter scared me off buying new with all their reporting of lemons, and when I googled "what to look for when you buy a used rv" scared me off buying used. I had checked on a couple parked along the roads with For Sale signs, and when you stepped inside the floor waved up and down like...waves. Rotten flooring. Then I remembered having seen a Scamp or 2 over the years and googled Scamp and found this site. Who woulda thunk we would have so many different brands of fiberglass RV to choose from?
I knew when I ordered my LilSnoozy we would need a new tug and about 5 months after ordering the camper started looking seriously at ne(wer) vehicles. With paid off 2006 Saturn 5 speed, or 2009 Kia Rio 5 speed, knew we'de have to probably look at 3-7 year old cars. The Carship Enterprise, as we call it, is rated to pull 7,500 lbs, and our little Snoozy, weighed at the local truck stop, was only 2430 lbs. So the tug is good even if we choose to get a larger trailer down the road.


Don't get too enamored of staying with your current car to pull your camper. Your current car was probably bought for work commutes and running errands and it does an excellent job of that.Might be time for a car or van dedicated to being the tug now.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:06 PM   #25
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My understanding, likely imperfect, is that insurance doesn't pay you for intentional acts that directly result in damage to your own property.

While I don't claim any expertise in the subject, I think a key word is intentional. I would also anticipate that the magnitude of the overload and other circumstances would factor in. Overweight? By six pounds or six-thousand? Hauling your trailer across town or taking a cross country journey over the Rocky Mountains? Towing with intent? Hauling in the second degree? It seems that there's very little that is black and white in law.

This thread from a boating forum is similar to several I have read on this subject over the years. I am linking this one because I think it includes several responses that sound both thoughtful and well-informed. Is it the hull truth? Well, yes and no!

https://www.thehulltruth.com/trucks-...verweight.html
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:36 PM   #26
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Two retired guys in Florida get to talking.

One says “I was the owner of a successful business. I put my heart and my soul into it for almost my entire life. Then, one day, a devastating fire wiped me out; it burned everything completely to the ground! Well, I took the insurance settlement and retired to Florida because I figured I was just too old to start all over again.”

The second guy says “Wow, that’s my story too! The only difference was that my business was wiped out by a flood!”

The first guy looks at the second one and says “How do you set a flood?”
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:05 PM   #27
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No need to search. I linked it in post #3 above.
How the heck did I miss that?!
Glad you did post the link--it's a great site!


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You may have missed it because this started as two duplicate threads that were merged.
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