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Old 11-06-2017, 02:42 PM   #29
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My suggestion is to determine which trailer you would like to have, buy the tug then the trailers..
I respectfully disagree in this order of buying.

Used all-molded-towables, at a price point a buyer is willing to pay, with the desired layout, in acceptable condition, within reasonably close driving distance to buy are very hard to find. You can buy a tow vehicle on any street corner

I'd shop for the trailer first. It would be a disaster if the absolutely perfect trailer came along and THEN you found out it exceeded the tow weight of your brand new tow vehicle. Or the opposite happens and that perfect trailer doesn't need such a large, powerful tow vehicle. You could have saved some money...

Good luck on your egg hunt!
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:46 PM   #30
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I'd shop for the trailer first. It would be a disaster if the absolutely perfect trailer came along and THEN you found out it exceeded the tow weight of your brand new tow vehicle.
Absolutely. A small fiberglass trailer in good shape is always in high demand and hard to find. Knock out the hard part first, then the easy.
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I too am a HUGE advocate of first determining what trailer will suit you needs, and then figure out what a tow vehicle that suits your needs, and meets or exceeds the weight capacities of the trailer.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:47 PM   #32
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I think a few people might have misunderstood this person's post and that he really agrees with you.

S(he) said to look at weights first. I think maybe he means that you see which trailer you want and what tow vehicle works for it. And then you buy the tow vehicle and go get the trailer. I think he is saying not to tow with the present vehicle if it does not meet the weights. Go get a suitable tow vehicle for the trailer decided upon.

That is what we had to do. Can't pick up the trailer without a tow vehicle! But we knew the trailer and model we wanted before we bought the tug, which was bought specifically to tow that particular trailer.

Of course, if a person is considering some very rare trailer that almost never comes up, that is another consideration.

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I respectfully disagree in this order of buying.

Used all-molded-towables, at a price point a buyer is willing to pay, with the desired layout, in acceptable condition, within reasonably close driving distance to buy are very hard to find. You can buy a tow vehicle on any street corner

I'd shop for the trailer first. It would be a disaster if the absolutely perfect trailer came along and THEN you found out it exceeded the tow weight of your brand new tow vehicle. Or the opposite happens and that perfect trailer doesn't need such a large, powerful tow vehicle. You could have saved some money...

Good luck on your egg hunt!
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:31 AM   #33
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Good advice here. I would not tow with your vehicle. Not safe. We ordered a Fiberglass camper named Lil Snoozy. We owned a 2013 Prius. It could tow a butterfly if it had skates on. So we ended up buying a used 2015 Pickup with a tow package. Best wishes to you.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:33 AM   #34
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Thanks for providing the additional clarity that some folks may have needed in reading my reply.. Bottom line is don't tow anything with a vehicle not designed to pull the weight you want to tow..
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:15 AM   #35
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A quick search of the registry turned up 8 people towing with CR-Vs and 6 more with Elements (same drivetrain). All were basic 13'ers. In addition, Bob posted his experiences earlier in this thread, and the late Bob Miller (who was about as hawkish as anyone I know on the subject of overweight towing) towed a 13' Lil Bigfoot with a 2007 CR-V. (And of course, there is Norm, who pulled a 16' Scamp all over North America.)

A CR-V is limited in what it is rated to tow, and I do not recommend exceeding the rating, but I am confident it can safely and reliably tow what Honda says it will. Do heed all the fine print in the owner's manual regarding towing.
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Thumbs up Thanks everyone

Thank you everyone for replying and our apologies for being slow to join back in. ( Lost my log in details! )

We originally strayed into the FG scene because we were seeing trailers listed under 1500b and thought ah ha we could tow that!

We are now reluctantly accepting a new vehicle is in order...sigh ( our CRV is an amazingly reliable vehicle that still goes great but sadly worth nothing to sell as it's 2003 and has almost 300K km on the clock..sniff)

So can I request some further advice?

We are a family of three (two adults, one 2 year old and there will be a baby in the mix by the end of the year.) Are the small eggs a viable option for us? ( Boler/ trillium/ Lil Big foot) i.e. Has anyone else used them with this family configuration?

What are cheaper end decent tow vehicles? We are thinking about the Ford Escape with tow package as that's rated to 2500b I think. That would give us enough for a little egg, plus cargo on a hill wouldn't it?

We're a one vehicle family with vehicle used for work commuting 3-4 days a work so can't go for something with awful fuel consumption.

Future plans do involve driving across Canada with said trailer so hills will be encountered.
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We are four and happily (but snugly) camp in our 13' Scamp. So yes, absolutely it can be done. Ours are now 12 and 15, but petite, so we can still use the upper bunk. Now that they're older they sometimes prefer to sleep in a tent or in the back of our tow vehicle.

Regarding the vehicle, with soon-to-be four people (considering how fast kids grow!), as well as the fact that you seem to keep vehicles a long time, you might consider stepping up to a mid-sized crossover. We use a Pilot to pull ours, and with four people, bicycles, and cargo in the vehicle, I appreciate the extra space and margin on weight ratings. We travel to visit relatives, and we use the extra seat belts to include family members on outings. Highlander, Pilot, Santa Fe, Sorento, Pathfinder, Explorer, Traverse, Acadia- all great family vehicles with room to grow. Fuel economy... pretty decent on the highway, but if your commute involves stop-and-go traffic, not so good. The larger vehicle would also leave open the option of a bigger trailer in the future. Buying gently used means it doesn't have to be a budget-breaker; just make sure it has necessary towing upgrades.

But if you prefer to stay in the compact crossover class, the Escape is a good choice for a small egg. I believe you have to spring for the Titanium model with the 2.0L Ecoboost engine to get the maximum (3500#?) tow rating. Another compact alternative is the new-for-2018 Toyota RAV4 Adventure model also rated to tow 3500#.

BTW, our second vehicle is a 2006 CR-V with 157K miles, solid and reliable. No plans to get rid of it!
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We have slept 7. A Trillium 4500 with four kids in it, and a travel van with my wife, our youngest and I in that.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:30 PM   #39
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We are four and happily (but snugly) camp in our 13' Scamp. So yes, absolutely it can be done. Ours are now 12 and 15, but thankfully petite, so we can still use the upper bunk. Now that they're older they sometimes prefer to sleep in a tent or in the back of our tow vehicle.

Regarding the vehicle, with soon-to-be four people (considering how fast kids grow!), as well as the fact that you seem to keep vehicles a long time, you might consider stepping up to a mid-sized crossover. We use a Pilot to pull ours, and with four people, bicycles, and cargo in the vehicle, I appreciate the extra space and margin on weight ratings. We travel to visit relatives, and we use the extra seat belts to include family members on outings. Highlander, Pilot, Santa Fe, Sorento, Pathfinder, Explorer, Traverse, Acadia- all great family vehicles with room to grow. The larger vehicle would also leave open the option of a bigger trailer in the future. Buying gently used means it doesn't have to be a budget-breaker; just make sure it has necessary towing upgrades.

But if you prefer to stay in the compact crossover class, the Escape is a good choice for a small egg. I believe you have to spring for the Titanium model with the 2.0L Ecoboost engine to get the maximum (3500#?) tow rating. Another compact alternative is the new-for-2018 Toyota RAV4 Adventure model also rated to tow 3500#.

BTW, our second vehicle is a 2006 CR-V with 157K miles, solid and reliable. No plans to get rid of it!
Ha ha yes! The objective was to keep the CRV forever! However, we may not be in Canada for very much longer so the next vehicle needs to do 2-3 years.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:54 PM   #40
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We are now reluctantly accepting a new vehicle is in order...sigh ( our CRV is an amazingly reliable vehicle that still goes great but sadly worth nothing to sell as it's 2003 and has almost 300K km on the clock..sniff)

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... Are the small eggs a viable option for us? ( Boler/ trillium/ Lil Big foot) i.e. ...
What are cheaper end decent tow vehicles? We are thinking about the Ford Escape with tow package as that's rated to 2500b I think. That would give us enough for a little egg, plus cargo on a hill wouldn't it?...
2,500 is pretty limiting. Decide on, and if you can buy, the trailer first.
See THIS POST for trailer weight info.
Keep a good safety margin (maybe no more than 75-80% of weight ratings).

I too loved my CRV. Never towed with it, but took great care of it. Nice car.
Then I was stopped at a red light with another car behind me, and some guy in a van came up behind us and was texting, or whatever, and didn't see the red light. Then he panic-braked, but instead of hitting the brakes he slammed the accelerator with his foot. And he did not let up until he hit us not once, but twice. All three vehicles were totaled out.

I replaced the CRV with a Highlander, and did tow with it some. If you get one with a tow rating of 3500 or 5000 (depending on the package), it would be a fine choice for many of the campers you might be considering.
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Ha ha yes! The objective was to keep the CRV forever! However, we may not be in Canada for very much longer so the next vehicle needs to do 2-3 years.
James,

I am not clear what sort of budget or longevity you might be looking for. Are you going to go expat on a remote Pacific island so only need a vehicle for a couple of years? Is a new vehicle an option, or perhaps more importantly, desired?

As noted above, we went from one trailer to another, first towing a little teardrop trailer with the Passat we already owned. Then we ended up purchasing two different tow vehicles as we bought first one and then a different fiberglass trailer.

Jon's family of four seems to do great in their 13-footer, while Momma and I settled on a 21-footer to support our planned extended travels sans kids. So much of this has to do with you.

Just as a stab in the dark here, the Hyundai Santa Fe appears to offer a good value proposition with an available 5,000 lb tow rating. However, the more information you can post about your goals, the better the chance that folks could dial in some vehicles (and trailers?) that might be good potential choices for you. Tell us more.
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Extremely valid points!!

Our budget is tight. We're West Coast Canadians, i.e. earn reasonable amount of money but spend all of it affording to live here. For this reason we won't be here long term. We simply can't afford to be.

The money we spend on trailer and car is coming out of our downpayment for a home ( in the event that we ever move somewhere that we can afford one!) So we have $25,000CAD max for trailer and car. The car is a new part to the equation. We had originally hoped to get away with just $7-10K on a trailer but we are accepting this is futile. Just hoping we will recoup some of the money when we come to sell.

Trailer wise we will be staying small ( 13ftish). We would love to stick with toyota/ honda etc but I think they're out of our budget, sadly.
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