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Old 10-13-2016, 12:29 PM   #15
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From Experience, a 17 yr old Ranger is not the same as a 17 yr old Toyota. ( Go ahead and tell me your 20 yr old Ranger with 200 K has never required a bit of repair. )
I agree, they are not the same! That's why I still have my 2001 Ranger with only 175,000miles on it.
Pictures taken today, poor thing hasn't been washed or spent a night in the garage in months...
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:46 PM   #16
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Towing macho arguments aside, a 19 foot Scamp is about the lightest 5th wheel thing you can tow.

You're in Wisconsin, which is not known as a land of huge mountains. 5th wheels offer an advantage in that a significant fraction of the trailer weight is right over the drive axle of the TV (which is why 18 wheelers use this system).

Fiberglass RV people tend to be less-is-more sort of folks or we'd all have 35 foot Class A's, so expect to see that sort of bias here.

You're the only person who knows if a 19 foot scamp is likely a stepping stone to something bigger for you or is the biggest thing you hope to tow. Use that piece of knowledge to decide what to use for a TV. Stronger suspension, bigger engine arguments only make sense if you're planning on going bigger later on.

Also consider the amount of actual towing you expect to do. If you're going to be taking a couple of weeks a year to go wilderness camp you might choose a very different TV than if you're going to be spending 6+ months per year RVing around. In the first case, I'd bias toward a more economical truck that can also tow the trailer. In the second I'd choose something that wouldn't be stressed by pulling the trailer 10k+ miles/year.

Now if you're trying to justify buying that full-size dually diesel pickup, feel free, but that's way more TV than any scamp will ever need...
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:46 PM   #17
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One of my neighbors tows a 22' Argosy T. similar to a Airstream

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Well said Jon!
I would add that newer trucks seem to be getting taller and taller so if you buy a used Scamp 19 it may need to have a lift kit added so it matches the truck bed height. If you order a new Scamp you can have the factory do that. It seems that in some of the newer trucks you need a step stool just to be able to reach over the side to get something in the bed.
I wish Dodge would come back with the Dakota, and have heard persistent rumors that Ford is coming back with a Ranger.
:He tows it with a 2014 Dodge Diesel and says empty no tow on board he gets 40mpg and if towing drops to 34mpg this Dodge is full size 8' box with 4 doors, He does not fib and has about 2 dozen collector Vehicles that he has restored on his own over the years, said to bad they did not get this kind of mpg in the old cars with Carbs.
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:53 PM   #18
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:15 PM   #19
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Jm, welcome to the forum.

4wd vs 2wd - we had a 2wd 2010 F150 to pull our classic Escape 5.0 single axle and had no problems. This year we traded up to a 4wd and have only used the 4wd twice once with the trailer getting into an uphill camping spot which was no problem same spot two years ago but was wet this time. 4wd would be better for you in WI also as mentioned here the trade in value is more, should you want to trade up.

Bigger vs smaller truck - when we got our Escape in 2014 I wanted a Frontier but couldn't find a suitable used one so bought the F150 and glad we did. As Floyd says check out the 2.7 F150 Ecoboost. That is what we got this year and despite having done little towing due to health reasons it has been great on mileage when not towing. We bought it with the intent of having only one vehicle but so far we're still running a very fuel efficient car as well.

Good luck in your search

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Old 10-13-2016, 03:55 PM   #20
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I have 4wd mostly because 2wd pickups are unsaleable here.
Same as here - you can't give them away.

2 wd tricks are light in the back end and real poor in the snow.
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I was very surprised Carol when I traded in the 2wd this spring they gave me only 2k less than I paid two years ago.

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I was very surprised Carol when I traded in the 2wd this spring they gave me only 2k less than I paid two years ago.

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That is surprising. Perhaps its a regional thing.

I know my girlfriend had a heck of a time selling her fathers 2wd truck that was only 3 years old and very low miles on it. I seem to recall it took months to sell privately and they took a real hit on it.

This fall I was in the market for a new Ford F150 and they had very very limited 4x4 stock here in BC (in fact could not find one with the options I need so had to order new) but lots of 2x4's on the lots they were willing to make a real deal on.
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That is surprising. Perhaps its a regional thing.

I know my girlfriend had a heck of a time selling her fathers 2wd truck that was only 3 years old and very low miles on it. I seem to recall it took months to sell privately and they took a real hit on it.

This fall I was in the market for a new Ford F150 and they had very very limited 4x4 stock here in BC (in fact could not find one with the options I need so had to order new) but lots of 2x4's on the lots they were willing to make a real deal on.
I'm having trouble NOT selling my 2wd truck with offers on a regular basis, some approaching half the original purchase price after 16 years.
BTW, it has never been stuck in the snow even with long commutes on neglected rural roads in Northern Il.
If what you say is true then it sounds like 2WD would be the better choice and you could just weigh the backend down in winter with the thousands of dollars in change you saved at the purchase!
Of course when towing a travel trailer, it is always best to tow it south before the first big snowfall.
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Old 10-13-2016, 07:54 PM   #24
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Towed Scamp 5er with a 2007 Frontier 2wd 6' bed

We towed a Scamp 5th-wheel with a Nissan Frontier 6-cyl, 2wd with no problems. We like driving and parking it better than the Silverado it replaced. Both were 2wd and I lived in CO and MA and sometimes in winter placed a few bags of concrete over the axles.

According to Nissan, the same model 2wd has 200lbs greater towing and payload capacity than the 4wd. I believe this is because the 4wds have to haul their own extra 200lbs of gross weight.
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I'm having trouble NOT selling my 2wd truck with offers on a regular basis, some approaching half the original purchase price after 16 years.
No doubt - you have taken care of that truck and a lot of people liked the little Ranger and wish it would come back.
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:29 PM   #26
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I have a four wheel drive, because that is what's available here in Southern Minnesota. I replaced a
Toyota Tacoma 4x4 with the Frontier. Before that, I owned 5 two wheel drive pickups in Colorado, Montana and here in Minnesota. I think that tire choice is almost as important for winter driving as a powered front axle. Beware that newer full sized pickups will require the Scamp to be lifted.
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:30 PM   #27
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Carol in winter you load 1/2 yard of Sand in box, & A Shovel

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Same as here - you can't give them away.

2 wd tricks are light in the back end and real poor in the snow.
Then no reason to worry about getting stuck u just shovel a bit of sand under drive wheel and away you go, sacks work good to. I have owned 4wd and they can get u into to much trouble best to stay 2wd, I go over lots of 4wd roads in my old Dakota 2 wd and only one time when it had 2ply tires did I have a Problem and as soon as I got home I installed 6py tires no more problems ever again.
1990 Dodge Dakot, 120HP V6 2wd, if you saw some of the loads that truck hauled u would not believe it, plus towed single Horse trailer with horse in it around 1800#'s no problem, Towed 20' Flatbed trailer with not brakes loaded with Old 4500# truck on back no problem but real scary when trying to stop quickly.
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I would never buy a truck without 4WD and I've had a lot of them. I never have to chain up on winter highways, and it is surprising how often it comes in handy on muddy roads or steep gravel roads. Sometimes the low range is handy for precise maneuvering too.

If you only travel on dry highways and want the lowest bed height, a 2WD is probably the best choice. If you want to explore a bit or travel winter mountain highways, 4WD is really nice. And it's much better than putting sand bags in the bed of a 2WD.

4WD is there to keep you going and get you out of unexpected trouble, not into trouble.

I never buy things so that I can re-sell them. I buy what I think is best for me at the time and for the intended use. Why buy something configured such that someone you will never meet might like it years later? Get what you need.
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