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07-25-2019, 10:51 PM
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#21
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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That’s a cute saying. I went to Home Depot today and bought a couple ceramic tiles , one to but under the Mr Buddy and one to put directly in front of the heater. This will keep the floor from becoming over heated.
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07-26-2019, 06:36 AM
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#22
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,951
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That’ll work, though I like KC’s idea of silicon pads better. Lightweight and unbreakable, anti-skid, roll to store, multiple uses: all good qualities in a very small trailer.
I agree about maintaining required ventilation, even if you’re just using it for a short time before bed or in the morning. In a small, sealed space like the Scamp, air quality issues can develop really fast. Even with the heater off, leave a little ventilation all night or you’ll get lots of condensation.
My experience is the Scamp heats up quickly, yes, but it also cools down again quickly. It’s not nearly as well insulated as Scamp claims. If you don’t have a good winter sleeping bag or bedding, it’ll get pretty cold long before morning. Sheets of Reflectix over the windows will help- they’re the biggest source of heat loss- and a piece of rigid foam in the big roof vent. Just don’t seal it up tight. Always a little ventilation.
For camping when nights are around freezing or below, I am very glad mine has a conventional RV furnace we can leave on all night set to around 50 degrees. If you do much cold weather camping, consider having one installed. Noisy and not cheap or efficient, but best for safety because all combustion byproducts are exhausted outside the trailer.
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07-26-2019, 07:58 AM
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#23
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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Thank you Jon. Where would I be able to purchase the silicon pads and what size?
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07-26-2019, 08:01 AM
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#24
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Senior Member
Name: P
Trailer: Casita
Washington
Posts: 343
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I am brave. I use one as my Casita has no furnace. I do not sleep with it on. I
wake up cold, turn it on enough to warm up the trailer and then shut it off and go back to sleep. I crack open a window while it is on and the roof vent is always open when I'm camping. I don't winter camp and rarely wake up cold in the middle of the night. Instead, it gets turned on when I am up.
I have a 12 inch battery powered fan that I turn on and boy, does it ever help in getting the heat circulated and even into the bathroom. Wish I'd discovered this a while ago.
So yes, I use one and I am still in this world and living dangerously, I guess.
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07-26-2019, 08:26 AM
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#25
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,951
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Penny in Montana
Thank you Jon. Where would I be able to purchase the silicon pads and what size?
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Here’s one 12”x16” rated to 450 degrees:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/S-T-Large...x-16/169991654
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07-26-2019, 08:53 AM
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#26
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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Thank You. That all makes good sense.
Penny
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07-26-2019, 08:55 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: 2018, 21ft escape— 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie
NW Wisconsin
Posts: 4,500
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Up North where ice fishing is a common activity in the winter , there are news reports every winter of multiple deaths due to people using unvented gas heaters in their fish houses . The reports always have people from the DNR or Law Enforcement warning about the use and dangers of unvented gas heaters in an enclosed space . One can assume that the heater was used improperly but I don’t accept that assumptions . In many areas the installation of unvented gas heaters is illegal because it has lead to too many accidental deaths .
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07-26-2019, 09:07 AM
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#28
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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The green 1lb gas container will be stored outside till I am up in the morning. Then Mr Buddy will be used with good ventilation for a few minutes to take the chill off on the early morning.
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07-26-2019, 09:13 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Penny in Montana
The green 1lb gas container will be stored outside till I am up in the morning.
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Sounds like you intend to remove the 1 lb. cylinder from the appliance and reattach it later. In my experience these containers will slowly leak the contents once removed from the appliance.
It's not the cylinder that is a danger anyway. It's carbon monoxide.
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07-26-2019, 09:32 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,951
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Penny, you Montanans are tough! Going outside in the cold to retrieve the tank, assembling and setting up the heater, turning it on, waiting for it to warm up... all before coffee!...
I can reach the thermostat in my Scamp to turn it on or up in the morning without exiting my warm sleeping bag. I do go outside to make coffee, but only after I've dressed in the nice warm trailer. I feel like such a wimp!!
Seriously, the warnings about unvented heaters are not to be taken lightly, and I sense you are very aware of the risks and precautions. The deaths... I suspect alcohol plays a role in many.
EDIT- Agree with Glenn. I've had several develop slow leaks after being disconnected. Better to leave the bottle connected until it's used up. Storing inside is not risky, but you can set the whole thing outside if you prefer. Might want to protect it from dust and moisture if you do.
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07-26-2019, 09:54 AM
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#31
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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Cheers!! So I bought the 2012 Scamp 4 years ago. The original owner lived in AZ. She had AC as an accessory and no heater I have been told it would be difficult and expensive to have an after market real heater installed.
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07-26-2019, 10:16 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
Trailer: 93 Burro 17 ft
Posts: 6,024
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I'm not in the alarmist camp on this one.... JMO.
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07-26-2019, 12:13 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,951
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Penny in Montana
Cheers!! So I bought the 2012 Scamp 4 years ago. The original owner lived in AZ. She had AC as an accessory and no heater�� I have been told it would be difficult and expensive to have an after market real heater installed.
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I have used the furnace numerous times in the deserts near Phoenix. Winter nights can get quite chilly, especially in the aftermath of a Pacific storm. When the desert drops below 35 degrees at night, as it has on several occasions, the furnace is sure nice. Oddly enough, even in AZ I'd rather be without A/C than without a furnace. It's not like I have any desire to camp near Phoenix in the summer! But I do like to get out of the mountains and desert camp in winter.
I'd expect around $800 to add a furnace. The furnace itself is around $400-450. Scamp might be your best bet to install one if you have any interest and ever get over that way. You could call and ask for a quote, though I'd wait until things slow down in the fall. They're pretty busy in Backus right now!
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07-26-2019, 12:30 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
Name: Gordon
Trailer: 2015 Scamp (16 Std Layout 4) with '15 Toyota Sienna LE Tug
North Carolina
Posts: 5,156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Penny in Montana
Cheers!! So I bought the 2012 Scamp 4 years ago. The original owner lived in AZ. She had AC as an accessory and no heater�� I have been told it would be difficult and expensive to have an after market real heater installed.
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I bought my Scamp without a furnace then I decided I did want one after all. I went to a local RV shop and they knew nothing of Scamps and how they are built, so they gave a crazy high estimate, expecting it to take them up to two days to figure out how to heat an egg without cracking it.
So I went back to Scamp and they put the furnace in. If the space where one would normally be is vacant, its easy for them to do and not much in labor. It is worth calling the service dept and describing your trailer and getting an estimate from them.
The furnace is loud, smells some, and wastes more propane than I think it should. But its pretty darn safe and using a vented furnace is the only way I would heat the egg when I am, or might be, asleep.
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07-26-2019, 12:53 PM
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#35
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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I agree, I would never have Mr Buddy on while I am asleep. I called Scamp a few years ago re putting a furnace in and they were not too keen on it. Maybe because mine has a bathroom?? By the way, we spend 6 months a year in Lake Havasu City AZ. I leave my Scamp covered and in Montana while in AZ.
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07-27-2019, 07:59 AM
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#36
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,951
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Me Heater Buddy
I don’t think it’s the bathroom. All layouts can be ordered with a furnace. Sometimes it depends on what else is installed around the usual space or even whom you talk to at Scamp. You could ask Gordon whom he worked with, as he had several modifications done at the factory.
However, I sense the Mr. Buddy works well enough for your limited 6 month heating needs.
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07-27-2019, 09:04 AM
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#37
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Junior Member
Name: Penny
Trailer: Scamp
Montana
Posts: 16
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Jon, thank you and I think you are correct in saying my needs are pretty minimal. Most likely I won’t be camping later than the end of Sept.
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