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Old 08-09-2017, 09:03 AM   #1
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New or used for first trailer? What to look for, what to avoid?

Hi from Boise, ID! My name is Stephen and my wife and I are in our late 50's and are interested in getting our first ever camper. She is afraid of buying used, where I am not as leery. I saw some other threads where people are asking what is the first one they should buy, so I will read those for suggestions - but if there is ANY advise you can give me on what to look for, and probably more important, what to avoid, I would appreciate some input. Thanks for reading this! .... Oh, I should have mentioned we have a Honda Cr-V that has a tow rating of 1500 lbs. so lightweight is a must.
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Hi from Boise, ID! My name is Stephen and my wife and I are in our late 50's and are interested in getting our first ever camper. She is afraid of buying used, where I am not as leery. I saw some other threads where people are asking what is the first one they should buy, so I will read those for suggestions - but if there is ANY advise you can give me on what to look for, and probably more important, what to avoid, I would appreciate some input. Thanks for reading this!
When buying a fiberglass trailer, first get a "free" one.
Buy a an older trailer, take care of it, make needed upgrades and minor repairs and resell for a full return of your initial investment.
This will help you greatly when choosing your first new trailer and picking the size and features that suit you best.
You can then buy that brand new trailer with a full confidence of knowing what you want, freeing you from the disappointment and expense of selling at a loss and finally getting what's right for you. You will also have a nice down payment from the sale of your "free" trailer to ease the burden of paying for a new one.
Some folks discover that they simply don't like towing, camping or staying in a travel trailer at all. That lesson too is best learned for "free"!
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Old 08-09-2017, 09:25 AM   #3
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I just bought my 1992 Scamp last Friday.

I do understand how your wife might want new as new is so much cleaner and sanitary, not to mention structurally sound.

But, as floyd pointed out above, it is likely a great idea to buy used.

I did this very thing. My 1992 has a fridge, and shore power. I thought I might want a restroom, and perhaps I may, but for now I am going to try this one out to see if trailer camping is for me and if this one I bought will suit my needs. I hope so, I love it.

Keep us posted on what you decide.
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Hi from Boise, ID! My name is Stephen and my wife and I are in our late 50's and are interested in getting our first ever camper. She is afraid of buying used, where I am not as leery. I saw some other threads where people are asking what is the first one they should buy, so I will read those for suggestions - but if there is ANY advise you can give me on what to look for, and probably more important, what to avoid, I would appreciate some input. Thanks for reading this! .... Oh, I should have mentioned we have a Honda Cr-V that has a tow rating of 1500 lbs. so lightweight is a must.
I also have a CR-V and have wondered about if it is appropriate for the older 13' Bolers. I don't have a trailer yet, but close.
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Old 08-09-2017, 09:36 AM   #5
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I'm on the other end of the spectrum. If I had to buy "used" (Unless I knew the owner and it was only 2-3 months old etc) I wouldnt buy. That's just me.

I've been in TOO many used ones that smell, they're soiled, and no.

BUT, with a 1500lb tow capacity, you're going to be VERY limited as to what you can pull. You will to have to do alot of homework and still wont be able to even pull a loaded Scamp or similar RV. My 13' with front bath weighs in at 1740 lbs empty. My 99 Nissan Frontier 4 cyl is rated at 3500lb tow cap. On a hill, I determined I would NOT pull a heavier trailer than this.

Good luck as decisions can be very frustrating because of the variables and options available.
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I thought as much. Great info, thanks.
I am so thrilled with the wealth of information available here!
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Old 08-09-2017, 09:46 AM   #7
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When buying a fiberglass trailer, first get a "free" one.
Buy a an older trailer, take care of it, make needed upgrades and minor repairs and resell for a full return of your initial investment.
This will help you greatly when choosing your first new trailer and picking the size and features that suit you best.
You can then buy that brand new trailer with a full confidence of knowing what you want, freeing you from the disappointment and expense of selling at a loss and finally getting what's right for you. You will also have a nice down payment from the sale of your "free" trailer to ease the burden of paying for a new one.
Some folks discover that they simply don't like towing, camping or staying in a travel trailer at all. That lesson too is also best learned for "free"!
This is all really good advice. (How much for your trailer? hahaha) I used to be an over the road trucker, so not afraid to tow a trailer, or back one, but I am leery of the small two wheels. Wish these lighter trailers still used a four wheel setup, but of course.... added weight. My wife and I LOVE to camp, but are sick of climbing off the deflated air mattress and wind buffeted noisy flapping put up take down tent lifestyle.... Thanks so much for the great advice!
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Welcome from another, now retired trucker...my answer may not be what you want to hear...
If you buy new, especially the fiberglass rigs we all have here, they will last near forever with basic maintenance....virtually none of the new will meet your tows 1500# limit...even the older Bolers, Burros and such will tax that number...a teardrop would be about what you are looking for and they are a definite step up from sleeping on the ground...having used a teardrop for 15 yrs before jumping into my 17' Casita, I know how good they can be (and their limitations).........

Considering one of these molded fiberglass rigs will live for 30R40 yrs and go thru several tow vehicles, you might want to consider that replacement first!!!!
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Old 08-09-2017, 11:08 AM   #9
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Teadrops...

I have looked at Teardrop trailers too, but so much "crawling in and out", though some have some great access with multiple doors. The Vistabule and Taxa Cricket look promising, but I just love the retro look of the fiberglass trailers and maybe a truck would be in order....
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Yes, to both & all, thsnk you. I love my CR-V, but shall get to those issues....down the road
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Not to hijack the thread, especially to a topic with so much opinion attached, but every tow rating I've seen counted tongue weight as payload on the TV.
It should not be counted twice.
Also, it is not necessary to discount manufacturer's tow ratings.
A 1400 pound Scamp13 with a 180 pounds of tongue weight has a trailer weight of 1220 pounds and adds 180 pounds to the payload of the TV.
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:09 PM   #12
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When we had a 1974 boler 13 it weighed 1140 with cushions, curtains, 3 way fridge, cooktop and vent, spare tire & spare tire mount that went on the bumper, new axle and brakes, no battery, no propane tank, no rock guard,
no water tank, no porta potti, NOTHING else in the trailer.

I would find it way to close to a 1500 lb. limit to be comfortable with your vehicle as a permanent tow vehicle.
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Not to hijack the thread, especially to a topic with so much opinion attached, but every tow rating I've seen counted tongue weight as payload on the TV.
It should not be counted twice.
Also, it is not necessary to discount manufacturer's tow ratings.
A 1400 pound Scamp13 with a 180 pounds of tongue weight has a trailer weight of 1220 pounds and adds 180 pounds to the payload of the TV.
Ye-e-e-s, but it's still a trade-off. You can't carry the full rated payload of the vehicle AND the full rated trailer weight, as this chart in my owner's manual makes clear (click to enlarge). I also note that the trailer weight figures are clearly identified as total trailer weight, not axle weight.
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Step 1: you will have to get a new tow vehicle, or forget about a new molded fiberglass trailer. You will have to get a really stripped down trailer to fit within that tow rating, and even then, it will be marginal. Do you want a toilet? How about air conditioning? Refrigerator? Awning? All of those items add weight.

Getting less trailer than you want as far as functionality makes for less enjoyment camping. And if you are married, be sure to listen to your spouse. In my case, my wife had to have a toilet, and had to have AC. If I got a trailer without those features, I would be camping alone. And really what kind of partnership is it if I ignored her input?

New versus used is mainly all about time. The manufacturers all have about a six to nine month wait. Its not like you can just go to your local RV dealer and pick one up off the lot. Price wise, lightly used ones go for pretty close to what a new one sells for, so the savings is not that much.

Figure out what trailer fits your needs best FIRST, then figure out what tow vehicle will be required. Plan on having a tow vehicle with a margin to spare, rather than slap up against the max limit. Towing with a marginal vehicle is no fun! I've done it, I won't do it again.

Check out weights in the real world, published trailer weights, so called "dry weight" is basically fiction.

Before entering the world of trailering, few people pick out a vehicle with ample tow rating. For instance, my wife's car is a Honda Element, same drivetrain as the CRV and same tiny tow rating. We also have a Mazda Miata, fun car, but forget towing. For our towing needs we have a full size pickup, F150....

According to this file, there is not a single new FG trailer that weighs under 1500 pounds. And when you find one listed under 1500 pounds, look for more than one of that model.

As far as the discussion of tongue weight, payload capacity, which includes tongue weight, is an ADDITIONAL limitation on a tow vehicle. You cannot exceed either payload limit or trailer weight limit. And yes, tongue weight is part of trailer weight as well. Many vehicles run out of payload capacity long before they run out of tow rating. I exceed my payload rating with a trailer weighing about 6,000 pounds with my F150 while I have a tow rating of 9,800 pounds. Frustrating!

Trailer Weights in the Real World

Want something a CRV can tow? Consider a small popup. Even then, you have to get a small one as many popups weigh more than 1500 pounds. We thought about towing a motorcycle popup camper (350 pounds) behind our Element at one time.

Max hitch weight on a CRV is 150 pounds. Trailers typically have 10 to 15% tongue weight, so you are likely going to run out of hitch weight capacity first. If you don't have enough hitch weight, you can introduce sway into your TV. Sway can be scary.
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