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Old 09-08-2015, 06:08 PM   #15
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From Post #5... "Exceeding any towing recommendations is a slippery slope but in some cases it is possible, doable, and safe."


Are you saying that all three of the RV dealerships you mentioned are experienced, qualified and willing to fulfill the above quote and set up tow vehicles to tow in excess of their manufacturers printed limits?


If so, I think that is three more reputable shops than I think one would will find in the entire United States willing to do so.


As this is an oft suggested issue I have informally asked of this in the several RV shops I frequent, the common comment about setting up a vehicle to tow over limits is "Are You Nuts".


Needless to say, I consider all of these sources to be fully qualified in the set up of towing rigs within the specifications of the vehicle.
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Carol: Is there a post you could direct us to in which you describe the under weight towing experience and the resultant damage to the TV? I'm very interested in knowing how this came about and what kind of damage did you experience.

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In my situation I had previously owned two of the same make and model of vehicle and had few wear and tear issues come up on either of the them which had far more miles on them than the one I towed A LOT with & had lots of unexpected wear and tear issues with. Examples of the issues were all the axle boots and power steering boots had to be replaced - not once but twice by the time the car had 60,000 miles on it. Most probable heat related according to two different mechanics who worked on it - neither worked for the auto manufacturer. The trailer has good new brakes and they are adjusted correctly at least once a year often twice and I have a good brake controller that is set up and adjusted each and every time I head out - yet I went through brakes on the vehicle way faster than ever experienced on any car prior. Also replaced axle bearings and a head gasket. Just to name a few issues. ;-)
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Old 09-08-2015, 06:42 PM   #17
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Others think that tow limits are a marketing ploy to sell larger vehicles.

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The good news is that now that the majority of auto makers are using the same agreed to test standard for establishing tow limits that old theory has pretty well gone the way of the the Dodo bird.
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How so, Carol? As far as can see it just sets a minimum performance standard for a tow rating to prevent over-rating. Nothing I've seen in the standard would prevent a manufacturer from down-rating a vehicle. Could be a conspiracy to sell larger vehicles, or merely an engineering decision that some aspect of the vehicle's design unrelated to any of the performance tests was not suited to a higher rating.
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Old 09-08-2015, 07:08 PM   #19
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In my situation I had previously owned two of the same make and model of vehicle and had few wear and tear issues come up on either of the them which had far more miles on them than the one I towed A LOT with & had lots of unexpected wear and tear issues with. Examples of the issues were all the axle boots and power steering boots had to be replaced - not once but twice by the time the car had 60,000 miles on it. Most probable heat related according to two different mechanics who worked on it - neither worked for the auto manufacturer. The trailer has good new brakes and they are adjusted correctly at least once a year often twice and I have a good brake controller that is set up and adjusted each and every time I head out - yet I went through brakes on the vehicle way faster than ever experienced on any car prior. Also replaced axle bearings and a head gasket. Just to name a few issues. ;-)
In contrast our 93 Nissan van had over 450,000klm's on it, towed a pop up and then the dual axle TT for years and the 17 year old van only needed tie rod ends other than regular maintenance items. It had original CV/PS boots as well as wheel bearings. Sounds like your vehicle was a lemon.

A guy I knew a few years back towed a 5,500lb TT with a full size Dodge Ram V8. He was well under the tow rating. Almost every part on the vehicle was replaced in the 5 years he owned it. 10's of thousand dollars worth of parts. A lemon!

Every vehicle has it's own plus and minus's and luck has a lot to do with how well the reliability goes.
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Every vehicle has it's own plus and minus's and luck has a lot to do with how well the reliability goes.
It has often been said...
Luck is a matter of preparation meeting opportunity.
or...
Success is simply a matter of luck...ask any failure!
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How so, Carol? As far as can see it just sets a minimum performance standard for a tow rating to prevent over-rating. Nothing I've seen in the standard would prevent a manufacturer from down-rating a vehicle. Could be a conspiracy to sell larger vehicles, or merely an engineering decision that some aspect of the vehicle's design unrelated to any of the performance tests was not suited to a higher rating.
LOL yup your right there is nothing that bets a good conspiracy theory
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Just a reminder to folks, especially those of you who seem to repeatedly love to rehash this topic, to respectfully give an opinion, supply whatever data you may have, and move on to let the OP make their own decision.
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Sounds like your vehicle was a lemon.

A guy I knew a few years back towed a 5,500lb TT with a full size Dodge Ram V8. He was well under the tow rating. Almost every part on the vehicle was replaced in the 5 years he owned it. 10's of thousand dollars worth of parts. A lemon!

Every vehicle has it's own plus and minus's and luck has a lot to do with how well the reliability goes.
I would agree with the Lemon theory based only on the good repair history of the previous two vehicles of the same make/model I owned, if it were not for the fact that another member here who pulls with the same vehicle has had to do a lot of the same work/replacement parts I had to do on mine and they are also towing a trailer just under its tow spec.... they also have a high number of tow miles on it as I did. They feel its just part of the price one pays for towing and to be expected. Of the 60,000 miles on mine about 65% or more of the miles were towing miles. And yup it was services regularly and it had all the fluids changed more frequently than required per the manual and it had an overside transmission cooler.

Bottom line is towing is hard on a vehicle and the closer you are to the towing spec or the more over you are, the harder it is going to be on it.
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Carol I think you've hit the nail on the head. Vehicles coming down build line are going to be different for a lot of reasons, most good but a few are going to be lemons. I had a new car that started falling apart 30 days after I bought it but that's another story. I worked with a guy that bought a new Yugo, drove it for over ten years before it finally gave up. Towing does take it's toll. Some times you win, some times you pay the price.
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Towing does take it's toll. Some times you win, some times you pay the price.
I believe too that is the net.

I know of some pro set up FWD cars that towed large TT's for a decade and had no major issues while one car in particular, Chrysler sedans with the 2.7L V6 were dogs and it was suggested do not tow anything with them.
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...The suggestion that it is good to get 'professional advice from various sources' seems to imply that the opinions of some may be suspect, and how are we, the non-professionals, to know which to trust.
The first rule and best advice that could be given to people should be to "DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET OR ON A FORUM". If you adhere to this, you should be fine. Of course, keep in mind where you are hearing this.
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