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Old 11-17-2014, 07:48 AM   #15
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it was a camplite, livin lite 14'. The subaru should pull it, my GVWT is 2700. But I really like the insulation, etc of the fiberglass trailers. Retired and wanting to travel the US. Have camped all my life, but always tent camped. Wanted to upgrade.

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Old 11-17-2014, 07:55 AM   #16
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Was looking at Camplite livin lite 13'. We are retired and want to see the US. I have camped all my life, but only tent camped. Thought we might upgrade. This is my first trailer. Didn't want to buy a new car, so was trying to find something that had a bathroom and we could pull with the subaru.

Thanks for all the advice, I have a lot to think about

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Old 11-17-2014, 08:12 AM   #17
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I towed a S-13 front bath with my 2011 OB. I had elec. brakes on the trailer and a controller on the car. Most of my towing was flatland and we would get 21-22 MPG with the CVT. The trailer towed very nicely. I did try towing a S-16 but felt it was a little much for the car. If I find a S-13 FB with big bed for the right price I might move back to a Scamp.
The Camplite I think is wider and less aerodynamic than a Scamp. You may also may need to use towing mirror extensions with the Camplite.
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Old 11-17-2014, 08:16 AM   #18
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Bummer.... the Camplite, at 2250 lbs barebones empty is even more than your Subaru can pull with 10% on the tongue. Down the road weight would most likely be right at it's GVW of 3000 lbs. A SCAMP 13' with a bath will likely also be well over your hitch weight limits, ours was close to 250 lbs.
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Old 11-17-2014, 08:20 AM   #19
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I also like to camp and have had a pop up or two. But when I tried a Casita, I was hooked. Casita seems to have a good design for less wind resistance, quick setup, and don't have to worry about the roof leaking just to name a few.
Also I have an Amerigo that I "just had to have" and it is solid but could use some TLC. It could be used if I was the only one using. It's about 16 foot and no ac or bath. Will try to post pics of both later.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:40 AM   #20
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I know this may not work for the OP, or even other folks looking for trailers, but if at all possible you should first decide on what trailer would work best for your style. You could then figure out what tow vehicle would work best to pull it while servicing your other driving needs. This would be the ideal scenario in most cases.

Your moulded fiberglass trailer will outlast a few different tow vehicles, if you choose to keep it. Case in point, look at all the 40 year old FG trailers still in service today, with some (like one I have), getting remodelled into something better than they ever were.
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Old 11-17-2014, 11:35 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Nancy L View Post
it was a camplite, livin lite 14'. The subaru should pull it, my GVWT is 2700. But I really like the insulation, etc of the fiberglass trailers. Retired and wanting to travel the US. Have camped all my life, but always tent camped. Wanted to upgrade.
Sorry I am not sure what you mean by GVWT? not familiar with that term. I believe that the 2700lbs is actually your tow capacity rating. Your GVWR would be your gross vehicle rating and its including the vehicle's chassis, body, engine, engine fluids, fuel, accessories, driver, passengers and cargo etc. and its a very different number & higher than than 2700lbs as the car itself weighs more than that. The GVWR should be on the label on your drivers door. Most probable in the 4500lbs range.

As been mentioned Subaru gives you a decent towing capacity - 2700lbs or 3000lbs depending on which Outback you have but they limit the tongue weight rating at 200lbs regardless of the total tow capacity spec. So unless you are pulling a boat (which have lighter tongue weights than RV's) you are never going to get a safe solid tow and come close to maxing out the tow capacity rating on an Outback.

Basically you need to look for a trailer (fiberglass or sticky) that has a total (axle & tongue weight) *loaded* weight of under 2200lbs. The reason for that is the the trailer needs to weigh only 2000lbs or less on the axle to allow you the room to put the needed 10% tongue weight (200lbs) on it for a solid safe tow. Subaru does not recommend the use of a Weight Distribution Hitch on their vehicles in order to help you out with that situation. When I asked Subaru at the dealer as well as the national office as to why no WDH I was told it was a safety issue - concern that the weight shift the WDH will interfere with their All Wheel Drive system.

The thread Trailer Weights In The Real World is a good place to start your search as you will see the weights of the trailers is broken out so you can see what ones weigh less than 2000lbs on the axle.

EDIT: BTW #37 on that list is my trailer and you will see I was running it at 200lbs on the tongue - that was a very short lived experiment on my part at trying to keep within the Subaru's 200lb tongue weight limit..... did not work out at well at all! Only did it for one trip. #33 is my trailer weighed again with a much more solid safe tow set up and its normal set up for most of the time I pulled it with my Outback - that btw was pretty lightly packed with no water in any of the tanks - one propane tank and one battery - No AC or microwave etc. It was also REALLY hard in regards to wear and tear on the vehicle and why I currently have an Outback with fairly low miles on it for sale.
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Old 11-17-2014, 11:38 AM   #22
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Nancy, it would appear even the Camplite 13’ may well exceed your Subie’s capacities; a dry tongue weight of the Camplite 13QBB is 235 lbs and the Subie's maximum is 200 lbs.

With what little research I did about towing, (with my now traded Subie), the T@B Teardrop appeared to be the only TT with a bath that is in the ballpark weight wise.

I have to agree with Jim. (because that’s exactly the route I took), especially if you plan to travel the US.
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Old 11-17-2014, 11:45 AM   #23
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Best advise...Never Exceed Tow Rating...Always select a tow vehicle that has a greater tow rating than you need and always stay under that limit...make sure you have a Trans-cooler and a quality trailer brake controller. Safety first.
If you exceed your tow rating you will destroy your vehicle and someday soon find yourself stranded on the side of the road waiting for help...not fun!

Always buy the best rated vehicle for the task at hand. If you are buying new get one with a factory tow package. Double check the ratings on both the tow vehicle and the specs on the trailer of your dreams. Do it right the first time and spend less in the long run and always be a "Happy Camper".

Listen to the advise of other veteran campers...they have been there and done that...all too often we learn from our mistakes and that gets expensive.
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Old 11-17-2014, 11:48 AM   #24
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Welcome to the forum.

Like you, we previously had both tents and also popup trailers. We now
have a 2014 Scamp 13ft with the new 54" bed. For pictures see:

Just a couple of questions for you to consider:

How many people do you want to sleep? (Adults only? Kids/grandkids?)

Does your Outback have a manual transmission or a transmission cooler
on the automatic transmission?

How far do you plan to travel?

What kind of facilities (bathrooms/showers, electric, water, sewer)
might be at your planned destinations?


Besides the "Trailer Weights in the Real World: thread, you might
look at a couple of other recent threads:

13' Scamp Weight

Scamp 13 Pros and cons of bathroom

Ford Escape and Scamp 13: Is Class II hitch ok?

If you are careful about the tongue weight, a 16ft Scamp might be
within the Outback's capabilities. However, I wonder if you might find
it to be a more agreeable towing experience to tow something that
actually weighs much less than the Outback's rated towing capacity?

Scamp Lightweight Travel Trailers & Small Campers - Scamp Trailers

Many choices will be influenced by your own camping style and
personal wants and needs (see questions above.) All considered, I
suspect that one of the many lightweight fiberglass trailer brands
and sizes might truly be your best option? But that's just my guess ....

I think that you will find lots of information and friendly, helpful people
on the forum.

Good luck with your decision!

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Old 11-17-2014, 01:07 PM   #25
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You know how it is more stressful to drive in bad weather than good weather? Towing right at the edge (or over) the capacity is going to be a lot like that.

Now some people tend to travel in a manner that is more like folks travel in bad weather. Slower speeds, shorter distances, less heavily traveled roads. The can make it work but given a choice I would go with having more capacity than I use just because it is more comfortable to drive and tow.
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Old 11-17-2014, 01:17 PM   #26
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About the only FGRV I can think of offhand that weights well under the Subaru's towing specs AND has a bathroom is the Hunter Compact-II, but some folks might find it a bit tight for space. Here's some pics of ours:
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