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Old 04-04-2013, 06:44 PM   #29
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I guess there are some exemptions for bumper pull travel trailers being towed by an automobile (not including pick-ups). Either way, i am getting it weighed tonight and going in tomorrow to make sure it gets changed......
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:41 PM   #30
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Either way, i am getting it weighed tonight and going in tomorrow to make sure it gets changed......
Good for you Cricket Even if DMV doesn't change anything, it's smart YOU'LL know what YOUR trailer weighs
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:32 AM   #31
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Got the title application pulled at the DMV, so it will not be processed until it is fixed...but i have to wait for the original guy that filled it out to get back from vacation next wednesday to do it. Weighed it this morning and as suspected it is well under 1500 pounds......so....thanks for your help....we will see how mad the guy is when he comes back from vacation!
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:50 AM   #32
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It's a shame you have to deal with the same person. Is there any way around that?
He should be able to Show You In Writing (The rulebook) where he has the authority to change the weight. I would ask for his supervisor to be present when you do the discussions and I would have someone with me for support.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:36 AM   #33
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The guy i am dealing with is the supervisor at that office. I am not generally easily pushed around once i make up my mind i want something done. He probably won't be happy, but i think it'll get changed.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:44 AM   #34
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I just pulled out my title for my 17' Casita with a bathroom registered here in Minnesota and it is at 3000#. A 13' Scamp without a bathroom should not be registered at over 1500# tax base. A higher tax base just means that you have to pay more for your license tabs every year. You should win this one since your right and he's wrong- end of story!
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:49 AM   #35
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My 16 ft Scamp SD trailer which is registered at 3000 Lbs (Minnesota) Cost $13.00 for the yearly license tabs . Would you really be saving any money at 1500 Lbs on tabs ?
My son built a trailer for hunting (Sleeping ,cooking only NO bath) and when he registered it the weight was set at 3000 lbs by the county registrar, there was no choice or discussion . What are we attempting to gain by lowering the registered weight to 1500 lbs ?
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It's a shame you have to deal with the same person. Is there any way around that?
He should be able to Show You In Writing (The rulebook) where he has the authority to change the weight. I would ask for his supervisor to be present when you do the discussions and I would have someone with me for support

The guy i am dealing with is the supervisor at that office. I am not generally easily pushed around once i make up my mind i want something done. He probably won't be happy, but i think it'll get changed.
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You know this is a very crazy happening.....I think that i would have him show me the rule book ....I would ask for someone to be present and I would take someone with me for support. With phones the way they are today I would have the person with me video the whole thing,then I would go home and down load it to my computer & a zip drive to keep with my title,just in case there was another problem later.

I did not use to be like that about something,but the older I get the more it seems like people want to push me around because I am female or a senior citizen.Maybe push me around is not the right word maybe they just assume I am "a crazy ole woman,that doesn't know much"

Hope you get it worked out,sometimes it is not always about the money,but about doing the right thing.
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If it's the law so B it. If it Aint, then its bullying.
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Old 04-06-2013, 05:10 PM   #38
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It's called crossing the T's and dotting the i's. It may not mean anything to you but at the end of your ownership it could make the next owners life a lot easier. Good for you, Raz
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:10 PM   #39
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Without a brake controller the police can give you a ticket as long as it's registered for 3000#.
The "brakes required" clause doesn't really matter in this case, since the Scamp already has them. Many jurisdictions require mfr. installed brakes on any trailer (regardless of size) to be active when the trailer's under tow.

Anyone towing this trailer without a brake controller is in danger of getting a ticket, and it doesn't matter what weight is given on the registration/Title.

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Old 04-08-2013, 06:50 AM   #40
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The "brakes required" clause doesn't really matter in this case, since the Scamp already has them. Many jurisdictions require mfr. installed brakes on any trailer (regardless of size) to be active when the trailer's under tow.

Anyone towing this trailer without a brake controller is in danger of getting a ticket, and it doesn't matter what weight is given on the registration/Title.

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In Minnesota if she is under 3000# then she doesn't have to use them even if they are installed on the trailer. Since MN registered her trailer AT 3000#, she is required by law to have AND use trailer brakes. If the police pull her over and look at her registration, she will get a ticket.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:46 PM   #41
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In Minnesota if she is under 3000# then she doesn't have to use them even if they are installed on the trailer. Since MN registered her trailer AT 3000#, she is required by law to have AND use trailer brakes. If the police pull her over and look at her registration, she will get a ticket.
2012 Minnesota Statutes 169.67 BRAKES. doesn't appear to say anything about registered maximum gross weight, only the "gross weight". That is defined in 129.011 DEFINITIONS. as:
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Subd. 32.Gross vehicle weight. "Gross vehicle weight" means the greater of:
(1) the unloaded weight of a vehicle or the unloaded weight of a truck-tractor and semitrailer combination, plus the weight of the load; or
(2) the value specified by the manufacturer as the maximum gross weight or gross vehicle weight rating.
It looks to me like Cricket can have this trailer registered for several thousand pounds, but as long as it doesn't weigh 3000 pounds or more as it is operated on the road, there is no legal brake requirement by Minnesota for this trailer.

I believe that this is common (but not universal) - the brake rules apply to the weight of the trailer (Gross Vehicle Weight or GVW), not legal maximum permitted weight on the registration.

It would probably be simpler to avoid raising a concern by avoiding a registered maximum weight of 3000 lb or more, but at the same time registering a weight which is too low risks being illegal by operating a trailer heavier than its permitted weight.
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2012 Minnesota Statutes 169.67 BRAKES. doesn't appear to say anything about registered maximum gross weight, only the "gross weight". That is defined in 129.011 DEFINITIONS. as:


It looks to me like Cricket can have this trailer registered for several thousand pounds, but as long as it doesn't weigh 3000 pounds or more as it is operated on the road, there is no legal brake requirement by Minnesota for this trailer.

I believe that this is common (but not universal) - the brake rules apply to the weight of the trailer (Gross Vehicle Weight or GVW), not legal maximum permitted weight on the registration.

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My point is if a policeman pulls her over he is going to look at the registration. If it says that the trailer is registered for 3000# he is going to believe the registration. He may or may not believe her that it weighs less than 3000# and he is definitely not going to waste his time actually weighing the camper in order to prove the registration is wrong. If I was her I would cover my butt and either get a brake controller installed on the tow vehicle and use the brakes or get the registration changed. It's not about common sense. It's about the paperwork.
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