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Old 07-14-2016, 09:40 PM   #1
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Do I need a Vin?

So, we are trying to get a new title since the old one is misplaced and the DMV cannot find it either. They want us to do any inspection for a new Vin but I didn't think trailers had vin numbers? We have a serial number. But do we really need a vin?
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:07 PM   #2
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So, we are trying to get a new title since the old one is misplaced and the DMV cannot find it either. They want us to do any inspection for a new Vin but I didn't think trailers had vin numbers? We have a serial number. But do we really need a vin?
The answer is yes, you really do need to have a VIN number because there is a blank for it on the paperwork that must be filled in. No VIN means no title, no registration, no license plates. What you gonna do, fight them over a long established law? You can't fight city hall. Just do what they tell you to do and get it over with.

My serial number somehow got accepted as the VIN number but it was that way already when I bought it. No idea what paper pusher at what counter in the past history of the paper trail let it get by them. But fortunately for me when I applied for the title to be transferred my paper pusher just shrugged and basically said...well that is what was on there before so that is what I am accepting.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:27 PM   #3
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The answer is yes, you really do need to have a VIN number because there is a blank for it on the paperwork that must be filled in. No VIN means no title, no registration, no license plates. What you gonna do, fight them over a long established law? You can't fight city hall. Just do what they tell you to do and get it over with.
That makes sense. I just don't really know where to go. We inherited it from my fiancÚ's grandmother. She cannot find the title, but she has the registration. We have a serial number but inthe area for vin on the registration is blank.
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A trailer serial number is the VIN.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:36 PM   #5
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Here is the form for obtaining a replacement VIN in Colorado. Phone number is at the bottom of the form. You can call if you have any questions about what to do, that is what it says

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sit...les/DR2408.pdf
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It's kind of a pain in the butt, but we bought our canned ham with no vin; it had been sliced off when the tongue was extended, but we were clueless before our old title was basically ripped up by the DMV clerk forcing us to do the above. (Boy was I mad...we could have etched the old vin into the new tongue no problem if it wasn't for that.).

We basically titled it as "homemade" and got a brand new vin number that we etched into the tongue. Made it nice and legal with a new title and everything. Expect several visits to a weigh station, the state patrol, and the DMV to get it settled, but it's definitely doable.
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Oh, and usually they are on the tongue....the scamp ones are about halfway and kind of hard to see...scour the whole tongue for any sign of numbers.
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That makes sense. I just don't really know where to go. We inherited it from my fiancÚ's grandmother. She cannot find the title, but she has the registration. We have a serial number but inthe area for vin on the registration is blank.
Stamp the serial # you have on the frame and make it look like it's been there all along.......as long as it's not stolen the DMV doesn't care and you don't need to jump through a bunch of hoops for the lack of a stamp set.
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Old 07-15-2016, 05:46 AM   #9
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The current 17 character VIN number system went in to effect in 1981. Before that there was no standard system so a serial number or other ID number from the manufacturer was used for a title or registration. Some trailers, in some states do not require a title. In NY our 1946 teardrop has only a registration, no title, but our '84 Uhaul and '96 Casita have titles
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Stamp the serial # you have on the frame and make it look like it's been there all along.......as long as it's not stolen the DMV doesn't care and you don't need to jump through a bunch of hoops for the lack of a stamp set.
Excellent suggestion, and it's my understanding that it's perfectly legal.

Years ago I bought a boat out of state and had to take the boat trailer to the Washington State Patrol for an inspection. The officer matched the
number on the trailer to the title and then, he told me that boat trailers are one of the most frequently stolen "vehicles" . The officer suggested I stamp the VIN number on the trailer in as many places as possible to discourage thieves. I've always followed his advice.
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That's what I'd try first, stamping the serial number; the worst that can happen is you won't pass your VIN inspection, and have to do it the long way. You need a certified weight and vin inspection to register an out of state vehicle in CO, by the way....learned the hard way with three trips to the DVM with our scamp!
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And yeah, it would be legal in CO (provided the number belonged to the trailer. )
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No trailer had a VIN# until circa 1983, in fact no car had a VIN# until 1953.
If your title has a serial number then your trailer should have it stamped on the frame, if it is gone or damaged then the hardware store sells welder's stamp sets.
I would assume that most bureaucrats would accept the serial# as the VIN# even if they knew the difference.
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No trailer had a VIN# until circa 1983, in fact no car had a VIN# until 1953.
If your title has a serial number then your trailer should have it stamped on the frame, if it is gone or damaged then the hardware store sells welder's stamp sets.
I would assume that most bureaucrats would accept the serial# as the VIN# even if they knew the difference.
We do not want to send people on paths for a solution based on assumptions when it is very easy to do an internet search to locate the information that states exactly what they need to be doing.

Not everyone knows that all the states and provinces have this information posted online so therefore it is not surprising to see this VIN number issue being frequently asked in postings. But the moderators and regular readers of this forum can pass the information along that these procedures which they will need to follow are available online. All that is needed to find the official instructions are to use as keywords which include the name of the state or province and the words "VIN replacement number trailer".
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