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Old 03-08-2009, 12:16 PM   #43
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This has me pondering the hidden accesses of my Casita as I am the third owner. I would hate to be pulled over for a routine check and the dogs sniff out and find a container of something elicit that was long forgotten by a previous owner. How might I explain that alongside the highway?

According to what I see on television the guilty always deny, deny, deny, when caught, just like I would be doing...except that I would be denying truthfully and the gendarmes wouldn't know the difference.! It's a scary thought!
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:45 PM   #44
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Yes, we live in ferry land (Ha ha!) and our van, trailer, anything else we drive on the ferries gets regularly canine checked. I suspect those dogs are more than just bomb trained, but perhaps not as an in-law I know who works with a canine partner says his dog is very specific to drugs.
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Old 03-08-2009, 02:45 PM   #45
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Donna,

Good point that the vehicles we buy (tug or car, etc.) have many more places to hide things and probably are more likely to harbor mysteries.

I say that because people tend to spend a greater percentage of time in regular vehicles than in campers (just given the numbers), and they probably "know" that since there are many more "normal" vehicles than there are campers, they are probably less likely to be singled out and searched in a regular vehicle than a camper.

In all the times I've crossed the US/Canadian border, I've never had them actually take a look inside my vehicle. When I brought my Boler home, they looked inside.

So the "blue sedans" are probably the ones full of stashes

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PS: Not to say that it's not a legitimate concern, but I thought "Oh, right, of course" when I read Donna's post and realized that most people buy a second-hand car without a second thought about hidden drugs, etc.
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Old 03-08-2009, 02:59 PM   #46
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I actually forgot about this until I read Raya's post. Back last fall we were on our way home from a week long trip to Steam Boat area. I had taken a different way home, just for a change. Anyway it got late and decided to stay a night on the road as there was weather hitting the front range of Colorado. We stopped and asked if there was a campground around as all of the rv parks we passed were closed for the season. Got directions to a campground around Dillion Lake. Was told to head up the road to next light then turn right and follow the road over the damm and eventually I would see campground on the left. Well, got to the damm and I was turned back cause I was pulling a trailer. Had to go completely around. I remember a guy yelling out the window, boy you sure look like a terriorist. He was joking, just a local that was over the rules since 9-11. Sure I didn't like the backtracking and long detour to get to the campground, but honestly if it keeps some jerk from blowing up the damm I can make the trip around the damm. Robin
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:42 PM   #47
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It seems to me that the singling out of these trailers as drug haulers is somehow illegal (if not illegal, then immoral). As far as i know in Canada, the police are not allowed to stop you unless you are breaking the law in some way (speeding, tail light out). So if they pull you over simply because you are hauling a trailer you have every right to deny them permission to search your vehicle and trailer. I think that if any cop did pull me over just to search my trailer, I would be asking for a badge number and calling the local detachment to file a complaint. Don't get me wrong, I think police have a tough job and I respect that, but where do you draw the line? Is that not harrassing a law abiding citezen?!

It seems as though abuse of police power is a recurring theme these days and if no one steps up to file a complaint, things are only going to get worse!

On the topic of searching your used vehicles when you buy them.. A very good idea! An ex girlfriend of mine bought a used car back in the 90's, my ex found $20,000 tucked in the back seat of the car! Now that is a good purchase of a car! But just imagine if they were crossing the border and didn't know that money was in the back seat.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:07 PM   #48
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It seems to me that the singling out of these trailers as drug haulers is somehow illegal (if not illegal, then immoral).

It seems as though abuse of police power is a recurring theme these days and if no one steps up to file a complaint, things are only going to get worse!
Moral rights are based on beliefs
Legal rights are based on law

Be sure to reread Roger H's explanation on page two.

Every citizen has a right to file a complaint.

I have an uncle that was a lieutenant with the Portland (OR) Police Department back in the late 1930-early 40s. History will tell us, the methods used by officers of that time versus now are very much different. He told me stories that raised the hair on the back of my neck. Officers dragging law breakers into alleys and beating the stuffing out of them, etc. And, it was a pretty common occurrence and their method of keeping crime in check. My uncle told me these stories when we were discussing the gang problem here in Portland. He thought by using the "old" methods, he doubted gangs would stick around. I'm not an advocate of police breaking the law, but he did have a point.
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Old 03-08-2009, 07:02 PM   #49
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Steve, I don't think April was saying that they singled her out just because she owned a fiberglass egg. I think it's trailers/rv's in general. I know back when we had the resort, it was the begining of the Meth lab's in Rv's. We got a huge warning from our Insurance Provider to keep an eye out as to who was coming in to use our Dump station. Could totally screw that up, so I started chargeing a heavty price for dumping. Basically if someone wanted to come thru and dump and not stay................... They payed! I would rather they go on down the road anyway. Robin
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Old 03-08-2009, 07:40 PM   #50
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The law, I believe, is still defined by the Supreme Court's ruling in California vs. Carney which requires probable cause:

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B. The search in question was not unreasonable. It was one that a magistrate could have authorized if presented with the facts. The DEA agents, based on uncontradicted evidence that respondent was distributing a controlled substance from the vehicle, [b]had abundant probable cause to enter and search the vehicle. Pp. 394-395. [Emphasis add]
Link to Cornell Law School summary: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/hist...71_0386_ZS.html

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Old 03-08-2009, 08:48 PM   #51
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The law, I believe, is still defined by the Supreme Court's ruling in California vs. Carney which requires probable cause:

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I'm a little confused, Pat. Apparently you have a concern, but I'm not sure what it is. Searches are based on probable cause. The issue as presented here so far is whether or not a warrant is necessary, or a search can be conducted based on one of the exceptions to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement.

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Old 03-08-2009, 09:19 PM   #52
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Not to be disrepectful Steveo,

I'd prefer if they just said they were pulling you over for a routine check and have the laws allow them to do it. You never know what is going on in the area you are driving through.

I remember getting pulled over in my '68 Chevelle on the way from Kingston to Toronto quite a few years ago under the guise of my speeding. We had a little chat about my restoring the car and what was under the hood, then talked about the marksmanship badges on his wrists. Before I left, he mentioned that I should try to keep the speed down to which I replied that he might want to get his speedo checked. I said I know I may have been going over the limit but I have a certain shimmy at exactly 72 MPH. If I was speeding as high as he said, I would have felt the shimmy twice. Once getting up to the speed he claimed and then again slowing down when he pulled me over. I jokingly said I use the shimmy as a built in speed alarm. Knowing he had been caught in a little white lie, I got a smile, a nod of the head accompanied by "have a safe drive".

By the time I hit Toronto, the news reported that the Police were looking for an escaped convict in the area and time I was pulled over. If I had been carjacked, I would have been grateful the cop pulled me over.
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I'm a little confused, Pat. Apparently you have a concern, but I'm not sure what it is. Searches are based on probable cause. The issue as presented here so far is whether or not a warrant is necessary, or a search can be conducted based on one of the exceptions to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement.

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Roger that!

What was the PC in April's case? Mr. Carney was informed of the evidence when confronted. If a K9 had alerted or suspicious activity was observed, fine.

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What was the PC in April's case?
The only thing April has said as they were stopped and so was a trailer on the other side of the highway and a tug & tow was stopped just as they were leaving. Probably cause can be developed through a set of particular circumstances oftentimes unknown to the general public but is defensible before a court of law.
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The only thing April has said as they were stopped and so was a trailer on the other side of the highway and a tug & tow was stopped just as they were leaving. Probably cause can be developed through a set of particular circumstances oftentimes unknown to the general public but is defensible before a court of law.
"Legal rights are based on law"

I'm just referring to the specific case that clarifies the law. Mr Carney was observed in his activity by DEA personnel and confronted with the victim at the scene. They did not randomly knock on doors of RVs.

Laws must be narrowly focused otherwise some localities may find that open containers in your RV are a violation.

Please remember, I just cited the Supreme Court decision that defined the rules. It was not my opinion, but I agree with it as written.

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I happened to go with a friend when he was dumping a load of yard and garden residue at a place that creates mulch for gardens, walkways, etc. The office is an open construction trailer and I noticed the tires were flat -- I mentioned it to the lady and she said they had let the air out because the road they were on led back into a lot of forest and there were occasional meth-maker arrests, plus rumors of more labs -- They didn't want their office stolen to become a lab.

Penney, yes the dog training is for bombs or drugs, but not both -- If they were sniffing drugs on the ferry they'd have to build a new parking lot for the police to use; there's a LOT of traffic on that Bainbridge Is <> Seattle route -- It's the biggest route in the nation's biggest system. I constantly read in the Police Blotter in the little weekly paper and there are always people being arreste on the state highway that terminates at the ferry dock for drug possession (and drunk driving) -- Usually starts with observation of driving OR non-functioning rear lights.
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