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Old 04-30-2019, 06:59 PM   #15
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We have a Casita at the present time and will sell it in the next month or so as we have an Oliver on order for July 8 pickup date. I want to say we love our Casita and are only going with the Oliver because we just want more room inside and I think it is the finest trailer built and top resale in it's class. We really considered the Escape, both the 5.0 and the 21 footer, but just didn't like the sleeping accommodations in either model, we wanted twin beds and designed like our Casita Independence and Oliver offered twins with the same basic floorplan. We also didn't care for the Escape's wood interior, cabinets, smaller bath, etc. and the rich look of fiberglass was much to our liking. If price is not a factor then you have to go what works for you, just don't purchase one then wish you have gotten the other.


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Hi trainman,

Congratulations on your pending Oliver!!! Laura and I identify with your reasons for the the Oliver. Despite our wonderful Casita, at some point a little more room would be nice, yet the Oliver has tidy dimensions (compared to many non-egg campers) at just under 24 ft and only 7 ft wide. Sure the Bigfoot 21 has a dry bath and the Escape 21 has a 4 person dinette (both have larger refrigerators), but what we really like about the Oliver is the twin bed design. Laura takes issue with the crawl over. It doesn’t bother me! In addition, the twin bed design offers certain efficiencies in terms of accessing overhead storage and making the beds. Plus, Laura and I are HUGE fans of the white fiberglass interior. No travel trailer looks like an Oliver. In addition, the quality and effectiveness of the double hull design is impressive. So, we definitely agree with your assessment.

I am sure you will have no trouble selling your Casita.

Look forward to reading more about your transition from a Casita to an Oliver.

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Old 04-30-2019, 07:03 PM   #16
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Dean,

It's been three days since you posted, so you can now deduct another 0.0082 years from that 3.5 years until retirement!
Hi Mike,

I just got home from WORK when I saw your post. Hilarious!!! I like your thinking. Plus, now that I am on 9 month contract, I get to deduct summers for 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022!!! My semester and academic year will be over in two weeks, then 3 months off. Probably camping 6 or 7 weeks this summer.

I hope all is well.

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Old 05-01-2019, 11:26 AM   #17
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Hi trainman,

Congratulations on your pending Oliver!!! Laura and I identify with your reasons for the the Oliver. Despite our wonderful Casita, at some point a little more room would be nice, yet the Oliver has tidy dimensions (compared to many non-egg campers) at just under 24 ft and only 7 ft wide. Sure the Bigfoot 21 has a dry bath and the Escape 21 has a 4 person dinette (both have larger refrigerators), but what we really like about the Oliver is the twin bed design. Laura takes issue with the crawl over. It doesn’t bother me! In addition, the twin bed design offers certain efficiencies in terms of accessing overhead storage and making the beds. Plus, Laura and I are HUGE fans of the white fiberglass interior. No travel trailer looks like an Oliver. In addition, the quality and effectiveness of the double hull design is impressive. So, we definitely agree with your assessment.

I am sure you will have no trouble selling your Casita.

Look forward to reading more about your transition from a Casita to an Oliver.

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Thanks, I think our reasons for the Oliver were the same thoughts that you and your wife had, trainman
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:08 PM   #18
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Pretty common theme here from experienced FG RV owners: if you like the Casita layout but want a step up and somewhat larger, as long as the budget allows, then an Oliver is a nice step up.

On the other hand, if you don’t like the Casita layout then chances are a nicer version isn’t that attractive to you.

For this reason, a comparison with Escape makes zero sense. People that like the Escape floorplan better than the Casita ((like myself) are less interested in stepping up to an Oliver.
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:37 PM   #19
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Hi Dwain, if you're anywhere near Lakeland, our Oliver is set up at Sanlan Campground for the next couple days to get it ready for a trip to Alaska. We'd be happy to show it off if you are interested. (We live in Lakeland & unfortunately, there are no electric hookups where we store it & we live in a historic district with narrow brick roads so we can't park it there while we prep.)

We are not at the camper all the time so contact me at binkchad AT Tampabay .RR .com

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Old 05-04-2019, 11:28 AM   #20
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The economy is better than it's been in the last 40+ years with the spending being driven by the dreaded "Millennial Generation". Look at what they are into. Technology, better design, small homes, living downtown, smaller cars, smaller yards and on and on. That's a HUGE change from "Fat, 60 and Up Crowd" that we call the "Boomer's" who like everything BIG. It's been said the Boomers have all the money however that may not necessarily be true anymore if you are a RV manufacturer as you now know the REAL market to whom you wish to SELL in today's world are the Millennial's!

The market trend in the RV industry has been and will continue towards smaller lightweight trailers with better design and technology added. All one has to do is look at the RVIA RV shipment reports to understand that trend from the last 5+ years with the largest sales drop for any RV segment are LARGE Motorhome's and LARGE 5th Wheel travel trailers which is has been and will continue to be the to segment dedicated to the dying off Boomer's. The "Fat, 60 and up Crowd" is no longer the leading market segment in most any category of products and that is certainly true in the RV industry. The current economic data for everything now shows the Millennial's are a larger market segment for retailers than the Boomer's in numbers and more importantly DOLLAR SPENDING ABILITY!

How's that figure into Oliver versus Escape versus Casita discussion. Oliver and Casita are all smaller trailers in size with Escape still making some larger trailers along with the smaller offerings. Certainly on this forum those that like the WIDE Escape trailer's are Boomer's. With the RV Industry now catering to the Millennial's you will continue to see most everything RV getting smaller with lighter materials and better design. Just look at some of the new recent entries into the fiberglass trailer market that we talk about on this old dinosaur Forum. No Facebook for us old folks! You also must realize that YES there are far more Millennial's than you might think that have the money needed to buy an expensive and nice Oliver trailer!

Tow Vehicles are also a HUGE "Driving" factor in the this move to smaller, lighter and better designed trailers. Most Millennial's don't drive PU trucks and therefore do not have the capability to haul larger trailers and they do want that capability. With smaller vehicles come smaller tow vehicle trailer ratings. Lot's of vehicles today that Millennial's drive today have 2000 LB or LESS trailer tow vehicle ratings. The RV industry knows this and they are catering to this segment of buyer's like never before in a HUGE way.

Look at Airstream. As stodgy and arrogant a company as they are even they have realized they need to get "Hip" with there 2 new small trailer offerings introduced into the market in the last several years. The amount of people willing to shell out $50K-$150K for a trailer is dwindling!

Smaller size, lighter weight, more technology and better design will continue more and more to dominate most industries and as they move forward to SELL to the current targeted generation of buyer's and that targeted generation of buyer's AIN'T THE BOOMER'S!!!!
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Old 05-04-2019, 12:23 PM   #21
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Raspy has laid out many of the reasons that I would have given as to why we chose the Oliver over all other fiberglas trailers after an extensive review of those available. We have absolutely no regrets about our decision. I can just add that, despite its narrow width (that is also a huge advantage when towing), we have never felt claustrophobic in the trailer, even when having to navigate around our 130-Lb Great Pyrenees. One thing about the narrow width is that one can move from on end to the other with the help of one's hands, as I imagine folks do on a boat.

I agree with others, however, that one's "overall feel" may be the best indicator of how happy you would be with your decision. The more I learned about the Oliver, the more I got that great "overall feel." I don't know how many folks who chose the Escape wish they had an Oliver, but I sure am not sorry about our choice, and I have not yet read of one Oliver owner wishing that they had an Escape.
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Old 05-04-2019, 12:23 PM   #22
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Oliver or Escape

You can shop now, but since you are 3.5 years from purchase, you might want to revisit your decision. Oliver manufactured campers for a short time once before, then stopped for several years before re-entering the market. Escapes are built in British Columbia—Being built in Canada makes me think they could stand cold weather. It’s your money and your preference, but Escapes have been around awhile and have stood the test of time. For $50,000 difference, you could retire earlier or travel more. Maybe Olivers are better, but would you enjoy it twice as much?
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The economy is better than it's been in the last 40+ years with the spending being driven by the dreaded "Millennial Generation". Look at what they are into. Technology, better design, small homes, living downtown, smaller cars, smaller yards and on and on. That's a HUGE change from "Fat, 60 and Up Crowd" that we call the "Boomer's" who like everything BIG. It's been said the Boomers have all the money however that may not necessarily be true anymore if you are a RV manufacturer as you now know the REAL market to whom you wish to SELL in today's world are the Millennial's!

The market trend in the RV industry has been and will continue towards smaller lightweight trailers with better design and technology added. All one has to do is look at the RVIA RV shipment reports to understand that trend from the last 5+ years with the largest sales drop for any RV segment are LARGE Motorhome's and LARGE 5th Wheel travel trailers which is has been and will continue to be the to segment dedicated to the dying off Boomer's. The "Fat, 60 and up Crowd" is no longer the leading market segment in most any category of products and that is certainly true in the RV industry. The current economic data for everything now shows the Millennial's are a larger market segment for retailers than the Boomer's in numbers and more importantly DOLLAR SPENDING ABILITY!

How's that figure into Oliver versus Escape versus Casita discussion. Oliver and Casita are all smaller trailers in size with Escape still making some larger trailers along with the smaller offerings. Certainly on this forum those that like the WIDE Escape trailer's are Boomer's. With the RV Industry now catering to the Millennial's you will continue to see most everything RV getting smaller with lighter materials and better design. Just look at some of the new recent entries into the fiberglass trailer market that we talk about on this old dinosaur Forum. No Facebook for us old folks! You also must realize that YES there are far more Millennial's than you might think that have the money needed to buy an expensive and nice Oliver trailer!

Tow Vehicles are also a HUGE "Driving" factor in the this move to smaller, lighter and better designed trailers. Most Millennial's don't drive PU trucks and therefore do not have the capability to haul larger trailers and they do want that capability. With smaller vehicles come smaller tow vehicle trailer ratings. Lot's of vehicles today that Millennial's drive today have 2000 LB or LESS trailer tow vehicle ratings. The RV industry knows this and they are catering to this segment of buyer's like never before in a HUGE way.

Look at Airstream. As stodgy and arrogant a company as they are even they have realized they need to get "Hip" with there 2 new small trailer offerings introduced into the market in the last several years. The amount of people willing to shell out $50K-$150K for a trailer is dwindling!

Smaller size, lighter weight, more technology and better design will continue more and more to dominate most industries and as they move forward to SELL to the current targeted generation of buyer's and that targeted generation of buyer's AIN'T THE BOOMER'S!!!!
I'm not sure I'd consider the Oliver smaller than an Escape - The Escape 21 has a gross weight of 5000 pounds, the Oliver Elite II 7000. While the Escape is 4" wider, The Elite is listed as a 23' - 6" trailer, 2' longer than the Escape.

Their single axle Elite trailer is 2" narrower than the equivalent Escape 17, 9" longer, and a 1000 pounds heavier gross weight.
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I have not yet read of one Oliver owner wishing that they had an Escape.

Here’s one: Oliver vs Escape Price Difference
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The economy is better than it's been in the last 40+ years with the spending being driven by the dreaded "Millennial Generation". Look at what they are into. Technology, better design, small homes, living downtown, smaller cars, smaller yards and on and on. That's a HUGE change from "Fat, 60 and Up Crowd" that we call the "Boomer's" who like everything BIG. It's been said the Boomers have all the money however that may not necessarily be true anymore if you are a RV manufacturer as you now know the REAL market to whom you wish to SELL in today's world are the Millennial's!

The market trend in the RV industry has been and will continue towards smaller lightweight trailers with better design and technology added.
Agree with the trend overall. Its kind of odd Casita dropped their 13 footer, and Escape dropped both the 13 and 15 footers. I guess the sales weren't there, or they would still be making them.

Certainly while many traditional RV companies are coming out with smaller models, the FG market is going the opposite direction. There is plenty of demand for the small older vintage FG trailers, like Bolers and Trilliums.
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Escape dropped both the 13 and 15 footers. I guess the sales weren't there, or they would still be making them.

It's more that the profit wasn't there. It cost pretty much the same to build a 15 as it cost to build a 17, but you can't sell a 15 for pretty much the same price as a 17.
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Old 05-05-2019, 06:10 AM   #27
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If you have 3 yrs, why not purchase an older Casita or Airstream and remodel it the way you like? Change the floor plan to your needs?
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Oliver vs Escape Price Difference

The OP is new to RVing. Until you know what your needs really are, there’s no point is putting a ton of time and money into remodeling. (Or into a brand-new, high-end trailer, for that matter.)

In my view, the best plan is to buy a used ready-to-camp trailer and use it for a season or two. Do it now- don’t wait for retirement. Take shorter trips near home. Try out different kinds of campgrounds. Experience towing and backing and hitching up. Find out what works and doesn’t work for you. Learn how to do basic care and maintenance.

A used Casita 17 deluxe is an ideal starter: fairly common in the Southeast, under $20K, small and narrow enough for easier towing but complete and self-contained, good resale, fairly simple to operate, a great learner unit. Some people find it's all they really need. If not, you will get most of your money back to put toward your “forever” trailer.
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