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Old 01-06-2007, 07:24 PM   #15
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--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chris B @ Oct 19 2006, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
"I wonder how many people are paying registration fee's every year when common sense should tell these people that they are wrong."
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As you can see by my updated [b]Avitar, I have corrected my situation.

Once again, My AAA membership, along with This Board, has paid off!
I went in [b]to the AAA office when they opened this morning... was one of the first 5 persons in line... and went immediately to the service window. I showed the clerk the definition of "Camp Trailer" I printed off of the DMV website, and he was satisfied. My transaction was completed within 30 minutes... and it took THAT long only because I had additional paperwork done. I re-titled my Honda and my Fiber Stream into my trust. The PTI plates preclude having a title on the Fiber Stream, but they offered a title for a $17.00 fee "because the program is still new". I bought a title, so it can be more hassle free for my trustee to handle my estate.
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Old 01-07-2007, 01:06 AM   #16
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Here's the crazy thing:

12/00 registration $131 for 1 year

12/01 rec'd renewal and PTI info
registration $20 for 5 years

12/06 rec'd PTI renewal
registration $10 for 5 years


Does this mean that 12/11 it'll be $5 for 5 years and then 12/16 $0 for life.
Something to contemplate
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Fred, they didn't ask to see the trailer?

I went to the Auto Club change the tags on the Cardinal to PTI a couple years ago and they wouldn't do it because they had to verify the trailer was under 16 ft (which it is). So I'm still paying trailer coach fees on it. It's parked in someones back yard on jacks with someone living in it.

Maybe I need to try again when it's due this year? I don't think anywhere on the title or reg. it states how long it is.
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Old 01-07-2007, 05:50 PM   #18
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12/06 rec'd PTI renewal
registration $10 for 5 years
That's the price I paid [b](plus $17 for an optional title)*
I wasn't aware before yesterday that the price had been reduced.

*note on edit: This is only available as an option if the trailer already has a title. Once the trailer has been enrolled into the PTI program without exercizing this option a title is no longer available for it. That's because PTI trailers are not registered, they have identification.

When I sold my Compact Junior it was in the PTI program, but I still had a title for it. My buyer and I conducted the transaction at the AAA office. The AAA clerk offered my buyer the option because the Compact Junior had an existing title, and warned him of that once the title was declined, it could not be reinstated. He declined anyway...
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Old 01-07-2007, 06:22 PM   #19
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Fred, they didn't ask to see the trailer?

[b]Maybe I need to try again when it's due this year?
I highly recommend that you try again.

I did take the trailer with me.
I got <strike>a parking space</strike> 2 parking spaces right in front of the building so that it was visible thru the windows from inside. The clerk could see it from his work station. He took my word for it that it was 16' long and did not ask to go outside to measure it.
He was appreciative that I showed him a copy of the Camp Trailer Definition. This saved him time and effort looking it up in his reference manual.
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Old 01-07-2007, 06:58 PM   #20
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Thanks for the info Fred. I will try it when it's due this year.
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I think an awful lot depends on who you get at the window. During my excursion to get my aristocrat (14' sticky tin trailer) registered, the lady was kind enough to try to figure out how to get me a late renewal on a PTI so that I wouldn't have to pay penalties on the registration that had not been renewed by the former owner. The people at the two adjacent windows began having a discussion as to the limit of a PTI, whether it was 14 or 15'. Obviously it is 16, but had I been at one of their windows, we would have been looking it up.

When I went in to get a PTI for my other odd trailer, made from a pickup bed, meant for hauling stuff, I didn't get a title, did get a vin put on it, and they insisted on measuring, but they knew all the limits.

With my recently acquired Boler Honey, I got a new title, had the plates changed to PTI, and had no trouble at DMV. ( I just got the new title in the mail this weekend...It feels official now!)

The real glitch in this system seems to be all the folks that had trailers before the PTI law came into effect, and never requested a change in the type of plate.

Frederick, Im curious, did you get to keep your old plates and change the type to a PTI? Im sure that would be a consideration for folks with vintage trailers with vintage plates!
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The real glitch in this system seems to be all the folks that had trailers before the PTI law came into effect, and never requested a change in the type of plate.
That is exactly the case with my Fiber Stream. It was originally registered as a [b]Trailer Coach (CCH) which is specifically EXCLUDED from the PTI program.

Before this discussion I was unaware of the designation [b]Camp Trailer (CMP).

The previous owner of my Compact Junior had gutted it out for hauling use in his carpet laying business. He converted it's registration to [b]Cargo Carrier (CARRIER). Being naive, I never gave it another thought when I re-converted it back to camping use. Then, in 2001 DMV automatically enrolled it into the PTI program.

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Old 01-08-2007, 10:57 PM   #23
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Frederick, Im curious, did you get to keep your old plates and change the type to a PTI? Im sure that would be a consideration for folks with vintage trailers with vintage plates!
I was offered the choice to keep my old Blue/Gold plates... and use a "PTI" sticker where the year sticker would go...

But I chose to turn in my old plate for the new PTI plate shown in my updated AVITAR. I belong to another camping organization that has a fondness for meeting in upscale RV Resorts of the type that usually have a 10 year age restriction on the coaches they allow in.

That old plate would be an open invitation for discrimination.


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<<The real glitch in this system seems to be all the folks that had trailers before the PTI law came into effect, and never requested a change in the type of plate.>>

I never requested a change. My 13 Scamp was registered as "Body Type Model" CMP and when the license came up for renewal it was the DMV that sent me the information on the PTI which I never knew exsisted. When I read it I couldn't believe what I was reading....5 years for $20, how could that be.

I called my local DMV and was told that it's true. I said to them but it's not a utility trailer it's a camp trailer, you know a little home away from home on wheels, recreational vehicle. She said that didn't matter because it was a trailer 16 foot or under. Well, I still couldn't believe it so I called 3 other DMV offices and got the same answer.

I promptly wrote my check and checked the box for a sticker, keeping my original plates. I had the plate number memorized, part of it being JJ. I've been called Joy Joy all my life and the numbers were numbers that equate to 2 memorable years in my life.

Lizbeth, I was told by someone that the 5th and 6th characters in the VIN number are the length. Don't know if it's really true or not but the 5th and 6th characters in my Scamps Vin are 1 & 3. So it appears to be true in my case. Check the VIN number and see if yours equate on your Cardinals registration form to the length.
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Lizbeth, I was told by someone that the 5th and 6th characters in the VIN number are the length. Don't know if it's really true or not but the 5th and 6th characters in my Scamps Vin are 1 & 3. So it appears to be true in my case. Check the VIN number and see if yours equate on your Cardinals registration form to the length.
On mine it appears to be the first two numbers in the vin which are followed by the last two numbers in the year it was made.

I think it's interesting that neither the title or registration state the length of the trailer.
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I realized in reading back through these posts that I think part of the ease I had in my dealings had to do with it all being done at DMV. I tried to register the Boler at the Auto Club, but they were very concerned that everything had to be done just right. (I had made a mistake on the form and crossed it out neatly, and they said I'd have to get all new forms and start over) DMV was just more comfortable making an independent decision.

Frederick..thanks for the info. I have a funky little trailer with black and gold plates which I would like to keep when I register it.

I wonder about how they decide whether or not it needs to be measured. The trailer of mine which they measured did not have a vin number so there was no clue to the length. But they didn't measure the Boler Honey either and its vin number was 134. No 5th and 6th digits there. Do you suppose the 134 is a 13 foot trailer made in 1974? Maybe someone from Canada will know about that?
In retrospect it may have had a PTI registration before. Its registration was current according to DMV, but the last sticker on the plate was '93, and the owner didn't know where the current stickers were.

I guess, the important thing is that it is worth the effort to get those trailers under 16' registered with a PTI tag! It gives us more money to fix up the eggs or to go camping.
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Throw this in the mix.

When i bought my Bigfoot 5th wheel in California last month the previous owner had lost the title. We went to the dmv and they issued a new title with the pti registration.

I have a pti plate and a California title with my Colorado address on it.

BONUS

It shows me as owner in Colo. with my Colo address and perm. tags from Cal.


Harv in Colo.
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... I was told by someone that the 5th and 6th characters in the VIN number are the length. Don't know if it's really true or not but the 5th and 6th characters in my Scamps Vin are 1 & 3. So it appears to be true in my case...
There are international standards for the construction of a [b]Vehicle Identification "Number", and the fifth and sixth positions are in the vehicle attributes section, which is dependent on the manufacturer.

In other words, if Scamp chose to describe their trailers by length (which seems likely, because that's what they normally use for model names), they might set those digits to "1" and "3" meaning a 13-foot model, but that doesn't mean that any other trailer manufacturer is required to follow the same practice. I would not expect a registration office person to be able to extract the length from any VIN.

I can't use my Boler for an example, because it has a [b]serial number which predates the use of the standard VIN pattern for trailers.

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...But they didn't measure the Boler Honey either and its vin number was 134. No 5th and 6th digits there. Do you suppose the 134 is a 13 foot trailer made in 1974? Maybe someone from Canada will know about that?
This is only a guess, but based on previous discussions of Boler serial numbers (mostly in another forum), the "134" probably just means it was the one hundred and thirty fourth trailer made in that plant. A real VIN is much longer, and the (standard) VIN of a Canadian-made vehicle would start with "2".

For example, the Escape which I examined in a local RV showroom (see photo in a post in the Escape Trailer topic) carried a VIN of 2E9TF6A276C068070 (what, you can't read that in my photo?)...

2 = Canada
E = ? (this would be part of the identification of the manufacturer, for makers of more than 500 vehicles per year)
9 = ("9" is used by manufacturers of under 500 vehicles per year, see Manufacturer Identifier near the end)
TF6A2 = vehicle attributes: meaning unknown, defined by Escape
7 = check digit
6 = model year: 2006
C = plant code: there's only one Escape plant, in [b]Chiliwack.
068 = Manufacturer Identifier: presumably this is the number for Escape Trailer Industries
070 = sequential number: the serial number

Canada follows the same VIN standard as the U.S., but I think 1974 is way too early to expect the current standard to be applied to a trailer made in either country.
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