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Old 11-30-2017, 04:04 PM   #15
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wow the law and common practice really does vary a lot between states! OK thanks everyone, I think the moral of the story is to check the laws in the seller's state and the state of the purchaser, and complete the title transfer if you can, even if your state doesn't require it for small trailers.
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:23 PM   #16
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Even when we purchased our Scamp13, we left the factory with a Certificate of Origin, no Title and no Registration. All perfectly legal.
My understanding is that The Certificate of Origin substitutes as a title of sorts for a new vehicle that has not been titled yet. It does not work for used or any vehicle that is or has been titled and can only be issued by the manufacturer.

When I bought new in Sept 2015, Evelands gave me the Certificate of Origin AND a temp tag.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:09 PM   #17
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NY requires the plate to be turned in if you are cancelling the insurance on a motor vehicle, or selling a vehicle that is currently registered.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:45 PM   #18
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It is my understanding, in Illinois anyway (confirm with the attorney in your state), the colored piece of sheet metal with numbers/letters is ONLY a receipt showing you have paid taxes for the vehicle (trailer). You have a duplicate paper copy in your vehicle. The metal plate does nothing else except show you have paid taxes and can drive the vehicle/trailer around.

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Old 11-30-2017, 07:52 PM   #19
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This is taken directly from the Michigan Secretary of States web site:

"You do not need a license plate to drive a newly purchased vehicle directly home within Michigan within three days of purchase. Carry the assigned title and proof of insurance with you. Never use a plate from another vehicle as a substitute.

If you do not complete the title transfer with the seller at a Secretary of State office, you have 15 days from the date of sale to transfer the title into your name to avoid a $15 late fee."

Obviously, laws vary, check your home State.

It is my understanding that in most instances, reciprocity comes into play. In other words, the home State laws apply just as in other vehicle regulations such as inspections, requirements for insurance, etc. This would be the laws in the State of the purchaser/new tow vehicle registration.

Wouldn't hurt to check though, especially since the Michigan SOS web site adds that little "within Michigan" wording.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:22 PM   #20
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In Iowa, people do routinely turn in the plates when moving to another state and a refund is issued for the rest of the year they were not used.

And if you paid $333 as I did many years, you would want the refund of most of it as I received.
In IllAnnoy, If you have 364 days left on your plates and you sell the car, you don't even get a thanks, you just wasted your money. But then a plate is only $101 for a car.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:36 PM   #21
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It is my understanding, in Illinois anyway (confirm with the attorney in your state), the colored piece of sheet metal with numbers/letters is ONLY a receipt showing you have paid taxes for the vehicle (trailer). You have a duplicate paper copy in your vehicle. The metal plate does nothing else except show you have paid taxes and can drive the vehicle/trailer around.

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If you want to drive a car on a public street you must register it and buy a plate.
The plate is issued with the first registration and is part of it, the sticker and the paper registration proves it is up to date and shows to whom it is registered.
The title price is a fee.
The registration costs are fees.
The sales tax on the purchase is a tax and is paid when you apply for a title.

You can buy a car, pay the title fee and the sales tax and never register it if you are going to use it on private land (like a race track) or use it for parts, or just to decorate your garage.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:00 PM   #22
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My understanding is that The Certificate of Origin substitutes as a title of sorts for a new vehicle that has not been titled yet. It does not work for used or any vehicle that is or has been titled and can only be issued by the manufacturer.

When I bought new in Sept 2015, Evelands gave me the Certificate of Origin AND a temp tag.
You are sorta right.
There is no owner's name on the certificate of origin, but if it is built by a manufacturer it is needed in order to describe the trailer with the information used to issue a title.
The trailer shown below was bought as a kit. As with my Scamp, it came with a certificate of origin even though the trailer below was nothing more than than a frame in pieces and an axle. I built it as seen and the title was issued from the C.o.O.
If I had simply bought an axle and built the trailer complete, it would have had a "Home Built" title, and I think they would require an inspection.(don't recall). I do remember buying the kit on sale at Menards for $75.
It was then $140 for title and registration.
The luggage carrier came off and it had side rails and tie downs for use as a utility trailer.
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:31 AM   #23
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Floyd I just renewed my edge car plates cost for 2 years 48.00 ia really likes to charge don't they?

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Old 12-01-2017, 07:46 AM   #24
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Arizona changed some years back. We used to keep the plates and turn them in, but now plates stay with the vehicle. You can go online (or by mail or to the DMV in person) and report the sale so you no longer have liability for anything that might happen involving the new owner. You also get a prorated refund of taxes paid, starting from when you report, not when sold, so there is a financial incentive to report promptly. It's easy to forget amid the stress of a major transaction.

Procedures vary greatly among states, and states change from time to time. If I were a first-time buyer or seller- whether in-state or out-of-state- I would have a conversation with my home state's motor vehicle department about procedures, requirements, and no-no's.

However, judging by the number of trailers that have been bought and/or sold by forum members and the almost complete absence of posts reporting problems involving licensing for transport, I'd say it's a non-issue. The fact that liability insurance covers the trailer while towing on the highway may have something to do with that.

Most paperwork problems are related to ownership documents. That's where you need to be very careful.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:02 AM   #25
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jon I suppose there are things that can happen in any transaction we just had a shady guy here who has been in trouble all his life I might add gtt caught selling non-existant large dirt moving, industrial equipment.

He started out buying this stuff at sales I am thinking then taking it to a shop and supposedly redo it but I am thinking he just slapped new paint on and that was it!

as usual his venture was a money looser so he started selling stuff but there wasn't any! How he thought he could get by with this I don't know!

One idea he had was he went into some sort of fancy cattle business all registered of course! In order to build a line you have to have all those high-priced sales. he once booked a fancy hotel and carted those cattle up an elevator to the banquet center on the top floor.

Those sales may bring big bux on a cow but I don't think the sale is ever completed just the high price paid then a new-comer with cash wants to go into the cattle business and there you go!

as for trailers with no plates with all the problems law enforcement has now I bet this on the bottom of their list to worry about in their day!
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:03 AM   #26
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Floyd I built one of those to tow behind my motorcycle one time.


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Old 12-01-2017, 10:16 AM   #27
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Every vehicle (campers included) that we have ever purchased or sold between private parties, we've simply taken our plates off, signed over title, filled out our Colorado state bill of sale (found in DMV online documents) and watched the car drive off or driven our new buy home. No in transit, etc. Most recently my husband drove out to Kentucky to pick up our new to us Scamp 16, which was registered in South Dakota and whose owner resided at least part time in Ohio. We also took along a South Dakota bill of sale (again printed off of the SD DMV website) so that the sale would match the registration and title when we brought it to the Colorado DMV. We had zero issues, in transport or in titling and registering it to our names. But EVERY STATE IS DIFFERENT. I would suggest you really do your homework.

On another note, our music teacher recently sold his car to a private party and forgot to take the plates off. This week he received a call from another persons insurance, because the car, with his plates, had been involved in a hit and run, only someone was able to write down the plate. The person he sold it to didn't bother to go register or title the car in his name, and now our music teacher is fighting to clear his name, even though he has copies of a bill of sale and signed title.

We always remove our plate and call to let the DMV know we sold it. A refund isn't offered, and I don't know if that is required in Colorado, but it makes me feel better.
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Old 12-01-2017, 12:42 PM   #28
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The fact that liability insurance covers the trailer while towing on the highway may have something to do with that.
Canadians should not assume the trailer is covered by vehicle insurance. When I renewed my trailer tag last year, I bumped third party liability up to $3 million ( costs a few dollars more ).
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