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Old 07-11-2016, 09:54 AM   #15
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The article opened fine from my Chromebook also. And, I was not surprised by what I read.

A lot of the issue is quality control, a total lack. In production, it is all about meeting quotas, not quality.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:01 AM   #16
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It opened for me: Win 7 Mozilla Firefox 47.

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No it's not Jon. I just clicked on the link I provided and it opened right up for me. I'm on a PC using IE 11, if that makes a difference.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:03 AM   #17
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Opened fine for me (Macbook w/ Firefox)--as a newbie to RV's it's a depressing read.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:22 AM   #18
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I read an article in a financial/investment magazine many years ago about the RV industry that quoted the CFO of an RV manufacturer stating "An RV is engineered to have a service life of five years after which it becomes high maintenance." He was talking about motor homes but I think the same philosophy has trickled down to (almost) all RV and RV appliance manufacturers.

With the five year service life in mind it is hard to imagine why they can be financed for ten, twelve and even twenty years.

The fiberglass camper industry has, for the most part, built a body that can last for forty or more years if properly taken care of but they are stuck with the same crappy appliances and hardware used in those short service life motor homes, campers and fifth wheels. Some have had design issues as indicated in other posts on this forum but most have been corrected (although some manufacturers have simply disappeared, quit answering their phones or "reorganized" to avoid making the corrections). We have also seen some manufacturers come and go over the years; Some with quality products and a few that should have gone through a bit more design review or beta test before production.

I built out my own camper on a factory purchased "hull" and used the best quality hardware I could find including SS screws and bolts but had to install and RV style stove, refrigerator and water heater. There isn't one staple or dab of liquid nail anywhere in it.

BTW - I've owned various campers and a motor home over the 45 years I've been camping. The problems we see today were well established long before then.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:45 AM   #19
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:49 AM   #20
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Steve, stick with our fiberglass-style trailers.

You're ALOT less likely to face what these people are facing. Not ALL purchases are bad. To me, it's more of an "education" on what to look for BEFORE you buy. I realize that if you get a new motorhome and the motor was to lock up, there's NO way to see that coming.... There's just some things that's going to play out because it's simply called "life"!

If I was purchasing a new trailer in the 16' + range today, I would go ESCAPE!

But BigFoot sure has a 25'er I'd like to have...but not for the $$. Same with the beautifully and excellent constructed OLIVERS. But Bigfoot has the BEST layout for a large layout for a fiberglass trailer than ANY manufacturer on the market! 25B25FB

But remember....FIBERGLASS.

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Old 07-11-2016, 02:29 PM   #21
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Below is the publishers editorial from his weekly RV newsletter from which I pulled the links referenced in my original post.

Read the bold highlighted section from HIS editorial. The highlight is that in the past he has purchased new motorhome's however his recent purchase within the last month was a USED motorhome due the quality issues that have developed in the industry with the large surge in new RV sales and the cost difference a between new and exactly the same but lightly used RV that he purchased for 1/2 the money.

People ARE taking notice of the quality issue!

I wonder what the Airstream lovers are going to do when they buy the new fiberglass Airstream and find it to be a superior none leaking product to the current & traditional Airstream offerings?




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Happy RVers enjoying their RV.

But for others, the happiness may be more elusive.


Every weekday, I receive RV industry newsletters from RVbusiness.com and RVdailyReport.com. I also get news releases from RV manufacturers as well as from companies that make products for RVs and RVers. I believe I know the mood of the industry pretty well from these newsletters and other sources, plus the readers of this newsletter.

Right now, the industry couldn’t be happier. RVs are flying off sales lots. RV makers and dealers are making a lot of money. Wherever you look, it’s a rosy picture (the demise of EverGreen RV being an exception). However, from a consumer’s perspective, it’s less flattering.

Critics of the industry complain that to keep up with the current sales frenzy, manufacturers are cranking out RVs so fast that quality has suffered. I get letters often from readers about problems with their new RVs. In some cases, these buyers must wait weeks or months to get repairs or even just a necessary replacement part. In some instances, they never get their problems fixed.

Frankly, because of what I’ve heard and read lately about bad quality, I bought a used RV last month rather than a new one as I have in the past. I figured the previous owner would have worked out the bugs and, frankly, it’s nice getting an RV that looks like new for half the price of one that really is new.

My friend Greg Gerber, the editor of RV Daily Report, is running a series titled “The RV Industry Death Spiral,” where he runs down, point by point, how “the current [RV manufacturer’s] business model is simply unsustainable.”

He notes that people in the RV industry:
• Know what’s going on, are in denial, and remain hopeful the problems will simply fix themselves.
• Don’t want to know what’s going on and keep their heads firmly planted in the sand ignoring many very obvious signs.
• Are aware of the problem, know it won’t end well, but are simply choosing to ride the wave as long as they can.

Now, Greg can be a bit “doom and gloom” at times, and he has no crystal ball, but his series may spur further discussion about what needs to be done to keep you and me, RV consumers, happy — with well-built RVs that roll off the line working properly. You can read the first segment in Greg’s series here.

In his second segment, he continues …

“Manufacturers are competing intensely against each other to produce RVs that are built cheaply, with cheaper components so they can be sold at what I call the ‘mythical price point.’ . . . that price at which RV manufacturers, and in some regard dealers as well, believe is the absolute highest price consumers are willing to pay for a recreation vehicle. Add one more quality component and RVers will run away.

“For example, a 360 Siphon vent is an effective $10 [wholesale] part that can eliminate RV odors, which people who actually use RVs know is a consistent problem. But, many manufacturers won’t install the simple device. Why? It will push them out of the mythical price point.”

If you would like to learn even more about the problems with new RVs watch this 17-minute video, which consumer rights attorney Steve Lehto headlines “Why you should not buy an RV.” After citing one bad RV buying experience after another, he ends with some helpful buying advice.

I know most of you love your RVs (me, too) and by shopping carefully and intelligently we purchased them with few problems that couldn’t be easily fixed. But for today’s buyer, it’s a crazy time, with a glut of poorly built units on dealer lots for eager buyers who don’t do their homework. For we consumers it means we must be extra careful to not end up with a lemon.

By the way, I am intentionally not mentioning specific manufacturers here — the good, the bad or the ugly. I’m not knowledgeable enough to comment on individual companies. If you really want to keep a close watch on the industry, you might start by subscribing to the free online editions of RVbusiness.com and RVdailyReport.com.

Chuck Woodbury Editor
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:06 PM   #22
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Since a lemon law to apply there have to be some attempt to have the failed unit repaired. This is great if your trailer manufacturer is relatively close to you. Scamp is only made in one place and distributed in one place as are allot of other manufactures. Doing a warranty repair 3,000 miles away isn't going to happen. It's not like cars where there are dealers in most every major city. Big RV's have some regional distributors so they may be more exposed to lemon laws. Every state has different rules and trying to enforce a judgement across state lines is going to be an even bigger challenge. Motorized RV's are a big issue since the chassis made by a major driveline entity and its warranty and lemon laws will fall under a whole separate set of rules. Good luck seeing much change in the RV world.
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Doing a warranty repair 3,000 miles away isn't going to happen. It's not like cars where there are dealers in most every major city.
With Escape, you place a call to Escape Trailer Industries (ETI) and tell them what's going on. They then authorize the repair get done at an authorized (appliance name) repair shop. ETI pays the bill. In this case, mileage doesn't matter.
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:45 AM   #24
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Don't worry Darral, we placed the order for our Casita 17FD a few weeks ago, it's just depressing to hear how short sighted some manufacturers are. We're sticking with towed fiberglass!
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Don't worry Darral, we placed the order for our Casita 17FD a few weeks ago, it's just depressing to hear how short sighted some manufacturers are. We're sticking with towed fiberglass!
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Don't worry Darral, we placed the order for our Casita 17FD a few weeks ago, it's just depressing to hear how short sighted some manufacturers are. We're sticking with towed fiberglass!
Molded fiberglass makers are not immune to short-sightedness, cost-cutting, and hurry-up assembly, and they contain many of the same components- appliances, wiring, plumbing, hardware- as the others. But they start with three major advantages: (1) molded fiberglass shell, (2) relative simplicity, and (3) small business/direct sales model. That gives you a running head start!

May all your showers be hot, your drinks cold, and your beds dry for many years to come in your soon-to-be-hatched Casita!
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