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Old 07-10-2016, 11:18 AM   #1
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Why you should NOT Buy An RV!!!

Now that the title has your attention you really should watch this 17 minute weekly blog video from Consumer & Lemon Law Attorney Steve Lehto telling you "WHY You Should Not Buy an RV".

Since most of us already own an RV and will probably buy another you will still learn some good information to make you a better RV buyer in the future particularly if you are buying a NEW RV!

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/IP_u2JR51_Y

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Old 07-10-2016, 11:54 AM   #2
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In the video, an RV is defined as a vehicle that runs down the road under it's own power. So, he's talking about motorhomes not travel trailers. The lemon law applies to drive trains.
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He says in a comment it applies to TT but also to research the best manufacturers. Some of it applies but luckily I don't think most of it does.
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Several of the BIG points Steve points out that effects ALL RV's and owners including trailers discuss's the liability and performance exclusion clauses virtually all RV dealers include in their purchase contracts today and the constant problem timely warranty repair by the manufacturer's and/or their dealers who perform the work.

The RV industry is UP once again almost 15% in sales in 2016 versus 2015 and QUALITY OF PRODUCT DELIVERED is becoming a HUGE PROBLEM. Pump em out the door and worry about fixing the problems under warranty at a later date. And YES that includes our beloved fiberglass shell trailer manufacturer's as discussed numerous time here on this forum from those fortunate enough to purchase a new fiberglass trailer. They have lot's of problems also!

This effects us ALL!

Here's a little campaign payback by the RV industry to an Oklahoma Legislator in their constant efforts to thwart any chance of an RV, motorized or not, being covered by any state's Lemon Laws. This information is included in this weeks RV Travel Newsletter with a link in my original post.

The RV industry certainly DOES think the Lemon Law issue is important!

"Oklahoma State Senator Dan Newberry recently received an endorsement from the Oklahoma Recreational Vehicle Association. The endorsement comes on the heels of Newberry’s successful efforts to kill a bill that would have rolled recreational vehicles into the state’s existing “lemon law.” The bill would have required industry to buy back any RV that was not satisfactorily repaired after a reasonable number of efforts. The association says they’ll be keeping a close eye on next year’s session to ensure the bill isn’t reintroduced."
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Some of it applies but luckily I don't think most of it does.
Why would YOU say "Luckily I don't think most of it does"?

Are you an RV manufacturer?
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In the video, an RV is defined as a vehicle that runs down the road under it's own power. So, he's talking about motorhomes not travel trailers. The lemon law applies to drive trains.

Depending upon your state of residence the "Lemon Law" can apply to far more consumer items than just a vehicle. That can include a trailer in some states. Read your State of Residence's consumer laws for more information that is appropriate to your situation and product.
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Daughter and son in law bought a new Winnie Minnie travel trailer.
She said they need to be gentle with it because they discovered it is cheaply made.
Unlike their trailer, we can take our Snoozy almost anywhere and it wont fall apart.
They should have listened to Mom!
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My Escape came with a two year warranty from the manufacturer. ALL the appliances had a one year warranty from the individual appliance manufacturer. While the first part warranty is uncommon, the second one is very common in the all-molded-towable world.
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My Escape came with a two year warranty from the manufacturer. ALL the appliances had a one year warranty from the individual appliance manufacturer. While the first part warranty is uncommon, the second one is very common in the all-molded-towable world.
My trailer came with a 7 year ball to bumper warranty. When the manufacturer reneged I was on my own. Unless you have the power of numbers or very deep pockets, the cost of an attorney is probably alot more than just fixing it yourself.

This forum is your best friend. If you have a problem there is no doubt a member who has dealt with same issue. Today my trailer is fixed because of this resource. I asked, read alot, and gained the knowledge to solve my own problems.

Also, sharing issues sooner or later gets the message to the manufacturers. If you don't build a better product, folks will go elsewhere. If the owner of xyz rv hears that his product is not selling because of leaky windows my guess is that the leaks will quickly stop. We can debate whether Escape builds a better trailer than the other guys but as long as buyers perceive that they do, there will be a very long waiting list in Chilliwack. Why the other guys don't get that is beyond me. Raz
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Why NOT To Buy An RV!!!

Well said, Raz.

Lemon laws are typically applied to passenger vehicles because they are considered an essential link in the overall functioning of the economy. If people can't drive, they can't get to work, they can't get to the store to buy goods and services, etc. There is a large ripple effect- unemployment, loss of health insurance, credit default, social welfare costs,... One can make a credible argument than lemon laws serve the common good. (Whether they work as intended is another matter...)

RVs are a non-essential luxury item. Beyond basic safety on the highway, it's a lot harder to argue the government has a legitimate interest in putting broken RVs back on the road. That is perhaps best left to the consumer and the normal working of the market.

At least in the cases of small molded fiberglass companies, it seems to work exactly as Raz describes. Companies that respond to their customers survive and thrive, while companies the don't eventually end up as legacy manufacturers.

Doesn't make it any easier if you get taken unawares, though... caveat emptor!
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This is a spur off-topic to the original "Lemon" RVs...but ALL of this sorta reminds me of one of my Aunt's story about a house she bought. They bought a "used" house in a prominent neighborhood in our town called "Sunnyside". That use to be the "upper class".... "Society"...."Well-off" neighborhood in our town. Basically, people felt if you lived there, I reckon you were living the "American Dream" Crazy I know.

Anyway, they came into some money and she thought her day had arrived! So yep, they bought a house in.... Ooooohhh.... "Sunnyside"! Her glee turned to "Horror" one day when the floor didnt feel right. They had someone come out to inspect and yessir...as you can guess where this is going, the entire floor had rotted out..... in none other than SUNNYSIDE! Quite and expensive repair bill. Her dumb statement was, "But this house is in Sunnyside!!"

It doesnt matter RV, House, vehicle.... there's no guarantee because of the name brand. But I learned one thing....you'd BETTER learn the "business" before you invest in it!! If you dont know what to look for, you most likely WILL get burned. But in the case of a NEW RV? It's still man-made. I've always said and still say, "Owning an RV is not for the faint of heart!"
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A most interesting read!


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Donna, is that article from a subscription-based source? It's not letting me in.
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Donna, is that article from a subscription-based source? It's not letting me in.
No it's not Jon. I just clicked on the link I provided and it opened right up for me. I'm on a PC using IE 11, if that makes a difference.
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