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Old 12-04-2017, 07:43 PM   #1
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250W heater & Dual Batteries

Hi,

Is it possible to use a small heater 250W @2.1 amps with a 1000W inverter powered by two deep cycle batteries; is this possible?

I tried using one battery but it only ran for a short period of time.

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Old 12-04-2017, 08:31 PM   #2
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Well Gem, if you tried it with one battery, then you should expect to get double the time with two batteries of the same size and age. Why did the heater stop after a short while? Did the battery draw down to less than 50% (12.06 volts), if so then you are also destroying the battery (as in shorting the life of the battery)
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:41 PM   #3
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It is not impossible to run electric heaters and air conditioners with battery power. It just doesn't make any sense unless you spend about $10,000.00 on batteries. And I wonder if that kinda price makes any sense even if you can afford it.

Roadtrek and probably others offer this in their tiny motorhomes. Seems folks will spend this amount of cash to keep Fido cool while the owners are on walk-about.

BTW. 2.1 amps at 120 volts is much more at 12 volts. Your quiz for the day. How much more?

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Old 12-04-2017, 08:59 PM   #4
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240 watts is roughly two hours on one 100 amp battery or about four hours on two 100 amp batteries (staying above 50 % charge to prevent damage from over-discharge).

But of course that assumes a fairly efficient inverter and nothing else using much using battery power.

That is why propane power heaters seem to be all the rage.
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:01 PM   #5
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250 watts delivers the heat of approximately four 60 watt light bulbs.
Too cold for me.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:20 AM   #6
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The answer to today's quiz is a 250 watt heater on DC is 10 times greater (120 divided by 12=10) then the 2.1 amps on 120 volts AC.
So the 2.1 amps becomes 21 amps on 12 volts DC plus the loss in the converter.

Resistance heat is very inefficient both for your home and trailer compared to gas/propane.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:55 AM   #7
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The answer to today's quiz is a 250 watt heater on DC is 10 times greater (120 divided by 12=10) then the 2.1 amps on 120 volts AC.
So the 2.1 amps becomes 21 amps on 12 volts DC plus the loss in the converter.
Congrats Joe. You win the grand prize, which is the eternal esteem of your fellow FGRVers. That and $4 will buy you a cup of Starbucks coffee.

I am stretching here, but I believe most RV battery specs are calculated under much smaller loads. I suspect our batteries will perform less well under high loads. Do any of you folks understand battery chemistry and how capacity and life are affected by the size of loads? A 21 amp draw must require a serious chemical reaction rate.

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Gemajams Hello!!! The consensus of observers is that this quest is folly at this point in our energy storage (battery) development.

However, there is a huge educational curve that can be crested by following the siren call to battery powered heat. Like Ahab strapped to the White Whale, my flapping arm beckons you forward.

If you are interested, I have a fairly developed thread you can check out on this subject:

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Lots of really smart people have been contributing with cat-calls and constructive criticism. Lots of formulas abound. Specs for heaters, coffee makers, etc. litter the discussion. See what you think.

My working hypothesis at this point in my exploration is that I may be able to take the edge off during limited bursts during the night in a quasi-survivalist experience. I'm running a 400 amp hour bank, a 2,000 watt sine inverter and, if I remember correctly, a 120v 750 watt 6 amp heater, which pulls 66 amps from the 12v side of the system. It feels like a luke warm hair dryer but it does raise the tempurature a bit in my very small enclosed egg.

It runs, but I'll have to ration the use during the night. I'm doing this for grins and giggles just to see what might be possible.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:36 AM   #9
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well if we need answers we can always go the Tesla route! But in order to do what you want your battery pack would have to be on a separate trailer!

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Just looking at your photo of Mirror Lake. When I was there last fall the lake was completely dry so it’s fun to actually see both water and a mirror image in the lake!
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Just looking at your photo of Mirror Lake. When I was there last fall the lake was completely dry so it’s fun to actually see both water and a mirror image in the lake!
Yeah, the rangers turn off the water features after Spring to save water.

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Yes you can but it won't last very long. Resistance heaters and anything with an electric motor will be a real power hog. Even resistance (filament) bulbs suck up a lot of power. The energy efficiency just isn't there.
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.... Even resistance (filament) bulbs suck up a lot of power. The energy efficiency just isn't there.
But thats a good thing in this case. It all gets turned into heat - and that is what he is trying to achieve.
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maybe 30minutes use 12v to 110 wont work

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