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Old 10-06-2014, 11:32 AM   #29
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yeah we have lots of haters in the group... things must be the way they like/want it or it is bad/wrong. Funny how they don't just buy their own property far from the rest of the people so they can do things they like and not be disturbed.

Me, I try to make do. I am not against throwing a pair of earplugs in to muffle the sounds of a neighbors annoying kids or someone thinking its ok to play loud music at 6am.... or argue.

We all need to show just a bit more tolerance.
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so Derek...when yolu say...

"Funny how they don't just buy their own property far from the rest of the people so they can do things they like and not be disturbed."

Are you talking about the "solar crowd" or the "generator crowd"? because the argument could be made both ways

a long time ago the general population moved from farms to cities....and noise by-laws soon came after that

consideration of others seems to be a lost art

when you have ear plugs in you can't hear the loon calling
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Generator or Solar Panels

The choice is dependent on your needs. If you require air conditioning or a microwave, then the generator is a necessity and I believe a satisfactory one. If you don't need the heavy duty AC appliances, a solar panel will do it, particularly if you improve the efficiency of your trailer like adding LED lighting.

Over 14 years we have only carried a generator on our trip to Labrador, feeling that in that really uninhabited area a generator might be handy in an emergency.

As to the negative attributes of generators, noise and odor. We simply do not notice them. These little irritants are just part of life along with smoldering campfires, intrusive children and barking dogs. Our view is that these are all people making happy memories and their irritants are very small compared to the joys we're experiencing.

In our travels we experience loads of quiet time, trails where there is no one else but us. Our joys on the road are so great that the little things are overwhelmed by the whole.

Like every thing you can make choices to minimize the negative of little things, siting your generator away from others, purchasing a quiet model, ....

When one considers one's normal work life or maybe even home life, generally surrounded by daily problems and tension, a little generator, a barking dog are really trivial to, at least, to our camping life style.

Need a generator.. buy one. We own both and use what fits the situation.
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"Funny how they don't just buy their own property far from the rest of the people so they can do things they like and not be disturbed."

Are you talking about the "solar crowd" or the "generator crowd"? because the argument could be made both ways

consideration of others seems to be a lost art

I think he was talking about the intolerant crowd and there are intolerant individuals on both sides of the generator/solar issue. I would propose that almost every activity, whether it is camping, driving, going to the theater, going to a restaurant, or even going to the store puts one in a position where irritants will be encountered. Some people simply deal with life's irritants better than others.

I'm not sure consideration of others is a lost art but I would agree there is far less consideration of others now than in the past.


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Many National, State, local and Private Parks put a maximum allowable noise level on generators, as well as limit generator run times and durations. Here is one source that puts maximum noise levels at 60dB for National Parks.
National Park Trailer Camping Guide | Trailer Life Magazine

I am not bothered at all by quiet inverter generators running during the day to charge batteries. But the $99 Harbor Freight generators, work site generators that Joe tosses in the back of the truck to take camping, and almost all 3600 RPM motorhome generators over about 5 years old, when all running, can make a campground sound like you are standing in the middle of a battle between 20 leaf blowers and 20 $50 lawnmowers.

Maybe setting and adhering to reasonable maximum noise levels would be a helpful for every one.
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yeah we have lots of haters in the group... things must be the way they like/want it or it is bad/wrong. Funny how they don't just buy their own property far from the rest of the people so they can do things they like and not be disturbed.

Me, I try to make do. I am not against throwing a pair of earplugs in to muffle the sounds of a neighbors annoying kids or someone thinking its ok to play loud music at 6am.... or argue.

We all need to show just a bit more tolerance.
Tolerance , Acceptance and Hatred are not synonyms . One is not obligated to accept certain behavior under the guise of " Going along just to get along" I do NOT HATE anyone or anything but I retain the right to object to certain actions /behavior which have a negative effect on me or others . Finally I do own lake property in a small rural community precisely for the reasons you stated but not everyone has the resources to purchase a piece of solitude nor should they be required to do so
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he just put it WAY more diplomatically than I would: " IMHO generators do not add value to the "outdoor camping experience" ....I hate generators!

Figuring out what your power NEEDS are and how to provide for them without making any noise or smoke is a whole other hobby in itself...if you're packing a generator you're missing out on a very interesting/rewarding aspect of "camping"

if you want to travel somewhere and sleep in air conditioned comfort(they do make 12volt fans), use a microwave to heat up something (easily done in a propane oven) and play video games on your big screen TV......why not just rent a hotel room? it'd be cheaper too if you consider all your capital and operating costs.

the reason most of us go to the trouble and spend the extra money is peace and quiet....a rare commodity these days....and breathing air that does not stink...if you need all your add-ons, all the time, do the rest of us a favor and stick to campgounds with full hook-ups

I know of at least one campground with no sevices that has a "genny hours" rule....allowed only from 10am to noon.....a reasonable compromise in my book

end of rant...donning my fireproof suit
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I think he was talking about the intolerant crowd and there are intolerant individuals on both sides of the generator/solar issue. I would propose that almost every activity, whether it is camping, driving, going to the theater, going to a restaurant, or even going to the store puts one in a position where irritants will be encountered. Some people simply deal with life's irritants better than others.

I'm not sure consideration of others is a lost art but I would agree there is far less consideration of others now than in the past.


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It ain't possible to tolerate the things you like or enjoy!
I don't have to tolerate them because I just don't care if others use either, neither, or both!
We have all the power we need when camping and haven't used or needed solar or a generator for years, but I'll take my generator along if I ever need to.
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I personally would start with solar due to low entry cost for good benefit. Along with avoiding the extra load of generator and fuel. But would consider a generator as a supplemental item for specific use cases.

Hot weather where AC might be considered a necessity, cold weather where not having battery power for furnace would make for an unpleasant trip. Medical equipment such as oxygen concentrators or CPAP where not having battery charge sufficient to meet demand would be a major problem.

I would also consider camping where there is electric hookup if I needed a generator. It just might make more sense than boondock camping with a generator if I found solar insufficient to meet my needs. And if I decided I needed a generator try to be considerate of my fellow campers, assuming I was not in the middle of the national forest without fellow campers.

What may seem like an easy to ignore background noise to you (especially if you are inside the camper or sitting with the camper between you and the generator) might really mess with someone else enjoying a campfire or an afternoon reading in a comfortable chair.

Generators are not a problem, people who are inconsiderate in their use of a generator can be but that is not a generator problem it's a people problem. A problem where a polite respectful conversation might well resolve it to a mutual satisfaction.
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Steve nails it again....

agree completely and well put.....

I might have sent this part of the thread in the wrong direction with my choice of words.....yeah, I do HATE generators....I don't hate people who use them however...I just find them annoying....and a tad inconsiderate... particularly in SOME circumstances....

now, running a generator when it's freezing out and most people will have their windows closed anyway is logical/acceptable/expected...

driving up to a remote site in the middle of summer where quite a few campers are in tents, setting up, starting up the genny (and putting it on the left side of the unit)...then going inside and closing the door and windows (so the noise TO THEM is tolerable) is kinda sad IMO....."I'm ok, and I don't care/think of nobody else" is the message

gen sets, loud music, incessant barking dogs owners have become deaf to.....it's all the same really...that's why I seem to go further and further into the bush.....I'm lucky, there's a lot of it around here
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I don't tolerate them because I just don't care if others use either, neither, or both!

Then I would say, Floyd, that you are one of those people I mentioned who deal with irritants better than most others. Simply put, you don't allow that kind of stuff to bother you. If everyone were like that, we wouldn't need the expression "Why can't we all just get along?"


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I personally would start with solar due to low entry cost for good benefit. Along with avoiding the extra load of generator and fuel. But would consider a generator as a supplemental item for specific use cases.

Hot weather where AC might be considered a necessity, cold weather where not having battery power for furnace would make for an unpleasant trip. Medical equipment such as oxygen concentrators or CPAP where not having battery charge sufficient to meet demand would be a major problem.

I would also consider camping where there is electric hookup if I needed a generator. It just might make more sense than boondock camping with a generator if I found solar insufficient to meet my needs. And if I decided I needed a generator try to be considerate of my fellow campers, assuming I was not in the middle of the national forest without fellow campers.

What may seem like an easy to ignore background noise to you (especially if you are inside the camper or sitting with the camper between you and the generator) might really mess with someone else enjoying a campfire or an afternoon reading in a comfortable chair.

Generators are not a problem, people who are inconsiderate in their use of a generator can be but that is not a generator problem it's a people problem. A problem where a polite respectful conversation might well resolve it to a mutual satisfaction.
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Are you a politician? I am only kidding, but I agree with you! Generators are not the problem. Inconsiderate people cause more problems than generators. When, I go camping, I do not need any more drama in my life!
I am camping to enjoy life and to make wonderful memories!
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I figure about $35-40 a night (average) for a camp site and food.

It's hard to find many motel rooms for under $80 plus another $20+ for dinner. I can see a lot of money saved to pay for an FGRV by camping, and you have more than receipts to show.....

Besides that, my rig is a lot more comfortable than most motels I can afford anyway!!!!!

And add the camping part: priceless.....
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Roger,
Are you a politician? I am only kidding, but I agree with you! Generators are not the problem. Inconsiderate people cause more problems than generators. When, I go camping, I do not need any more drama in my life!
I am camping to enjoy life and to make wonderful memories!
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No need to get nasty calling me a politician and all!

I can see some situations where a little give and take can make things that might create an unpleasant situation and resentment can be resolved so that both the generator user and non-user are happy.

Same with loud music, the behavior of children or late night rowdy campfire groups. Not everyone you meet will be reasonable but most will. No point in getting my undies in a twist without seeing if they are willing to work out an accommodation or understanding. They might simply be unaware or have an actual need.

If they are jerks, that is their problem. Even if they are unreasonable I have options. I might move my site, complain to the ranger, or see how they like Janis Joplin blasting from my stereo at 7:59 am after they stayed up to the wee hours being loud and rowdy around the campfire after being asked nicely to be less noisy since folks were trying to sleep.

Lead Zeppelin or Black Sabbath is also good breakfast music, helps me wake up and get going after a night when I was short of sleep. Not sure it goes so well with the hangover next door.
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