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Old 06-25-2013, 05:44 PM   #29
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......... Anybody who takes exception to its use in a neighboring campground needs to buy their own 50 acres and avoid state parks. .............Bill
Thanks for educating us. This explains a lot of the behavior that I see, especially in state parks.
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Old 06-25-2013, 06:31 PM   #30
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And I'm told they never starve themselves
I wish that were true. I was a single dad with a three year old, and nine month old twins, one diagnosed as failure to thrive. She just would not eat. Very stressful.
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Old 06-25-2013, 06:50 PM   #31
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......... Anybody who takes exception to its use in a neighboring campground needs to buy their own 50 acres and avoid state parks. .............Bill

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Thanks for educating us. This explains a lot of the behavior that I see, especially in state parks.
LOL kind of reminds me of listening to an interview a few years back with our then Provincial Premier and he was asked why BC Provincial Parks have so few power camping sites if any at all & why his government wasn't willing to put more power into the parks, along with wi-fi etc. His response was that this is Super Natural BC and most people go camping to relax and get away from all the electronics and want peace and quiet. If people have to have a TV, stereo and microwave to camp then they should just camp in their driveway at home. I voted for that guy for several terms!
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Do keep in mind that 1,000 watts of power is peak output for that generator, and that Honda's famously touted "only 65db's" of noise is measured at idle. Not to mention at fifty feet away...
I don't think so. Here are the noise specs
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That's less than 65 dB even at full load, and something less than 53 dB at idle. The customary test distance appears to be 7 metres (23 feet); although there is apparently a U.S. National Park Service Regulation which specifies a limit for noise at 50 feet, that's not the distance which corresponds to the Honda spec or the independent tests that report similar (but somewhat higher) actual noise levels.

An open-frame generator at full blast is another thing entirely.

I like the idea of getting warm milk by buying UHT milk and never making it cold... if the serving size is suitable.
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I wish that were true. I was a single dad with a three year old, and nine month old twins, one diagnosed as failure to thrive. She just would not eat. Very stressful.
That would be stressful indeed.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:15 PM   #34
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I don't think so. Here are the noise specs

That's less than 65 dB even at full load, and something less than 53 dB at idle. The customary test distance appears to be 7 metres (23 feet); although there is apparently a U.S. National Park Service Regulation which specifies a limit for noise at 50 feet, that's not the distance which corresponds to the Honda spec or the independent tests that report similar (but somewhat higher) actual noise levels.

An open-frame generator at full blast is another thing entirely.

I like the idea of getting warm milk by buying UHT milk and never making it cold... if the serving size is suitable.
Thanks for the correction, Brian- should have looked up the independent testing again before I posted.

This test was made by the University of Alabama in 2006. Although it's of the 2000 instead of the 1000 "I" series, the numbers are very similar and do bear out yours/Honda's numbers, and at the distances you mention.

That having been said, I now launch in to my favorite "false advertising" rant:

What those numbers do NOT bear out is Honda's oft-repeated "quieter than human conversation" bushwa. Little known and certainly never spoken by Honda is the fact that human conversation is measured at a distance-from-source of three feet. Link to chart.

Although due to background noise, the U. of. Al. test doesn't give Honda numbers at that close a range, since at ten feet the Honda puts out close to seventy-five db, I think it's fair to suspect that at "human conversation distance" the levels may well be as high as the damage-to-hearing 90 db threshold.

But the "quieter than convo" myth continues to be advertised and repeated...I'm surprised, in fact, that nobody's mentioned it so far in this thread.

End of rant...for now!

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Francesca,

I can't hear you.

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Well as we can see peoples opinions on generators, microwaves etc. Do what you need to to make your kids happy and dont sweat the opinions. Yes a construction type generator will probably get you strung up... running the quieter generator types is fine imho
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Thanks for educating us. This explains a lot of the behavior that I see, especially in state parks.
Is it really so different in Michigan? Here in Washington, and most places I've camped on the west coast, you absolutely do not go to a state park for quiet and to "get away from it all". The campsites are packed in so close that you can usually hear every detail of your neighbors' conversations, generator or no. For me, that's OK: if you made each campsite twice as big, you'd have a lot less noise, but half as many people would be able to camp. The only reason I would consider running a Honda 1000 is because I can state categorically that I have never camped in a state park in summer, where it would be even fractionally as loud as the general background din. Do they not let kids in Michigan state parks?

Here, if you want peace and quiet, you camp on BLM or Forest Service land.

Having said that, the bulk of the more useful posts on this thread have convinced me that giving up the microwave is probably easier and better than trying to power it, so that's what I'm going to do. And I might just bring my 15-watt solar panel and amp hour meter and see what happens.

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In another thread elswhere, they're talking about bringing a PA to an event at a state park. Sort of selective anarchy. Everyone else's noise is bad but not my noise.
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A little off topic but I think this applies. We once stayed at a motel on the lake front that offered free charcoal and BBQ's with the rooms. When I queried the owner as to why they didn't use propane. Their reply was that waiting for the charcoal to get ready forces people to sit back and relax. That is something many have forgotten how to do.
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A little off topic but I think this applies. We once stayed at a motel on the lake front that offered free charcoal and BBQ's with the rooms. When I queried the owner as to why they didn't use propane. Their reply was that waiting for the charcoal to get ready forces people to sit back and relax. That is something many have forgotten how to do.
I am indeed brainstorming ideas of how to hook up The Green Egg to the trailer somewhat like the propane tank.
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The super quiet generators are quiet...last weekend a larger 5th wheel trailer was camped pretty close,maybe 200 feet from me and I only heard his twin honda 2000's when I was about 30 feet away and they were just purring. I had zero issues with it... I didnt need to run mine it dropped into the low 60's at night but to each their own. Solar is good but if you have a mounted rooftop unit and are parked in the tree's its not really going to do much to create power... so the generator is needed. Now if someone is running a loud construction kinda generator I would say something but there are plenty of them that are very quiet and could easily be playing some horrid music much louder. Tolerance is a good thing to learn...

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Some people have medical equip that has to run at night or all the time. I would think it rude if you came up to me and asked me why I was running my generator. I can rough it as needed but if the Batteries need charging or I need to do something that requires the power well as long as I am not in a generator free zone I will run it. Mind you I will try for mid day and put it out further so as not to annoy folks but as said above Tolerance just my .02

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Having said that, the bulk of the more useful posts on this thread have convinced me that giving up the microwave is probably easier and better than trying to power it, so that's what I'm going to do. And I might just bring my 15-watt solar panel and amp hour meter and see what happens.

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Bill, If you have a small 700 W microwave, and a 1000 W inverter, you can have, depending on your battery, up to an hour of microwave power between charges. Add a solar cell, and you might get an hour and a half.
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