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Old 07-03-2007, 07:32 PM   #15
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Morgan, on my 91S13 (and my earlier Jayco), the converter was standalone from the 120VAC and just plugged in to a 120VAC outlet below the circuit breaker box which was totally separate. In fact, the converter on the Jayco even had the 12VDC fuse panel separate so it was very easy to remove! I don't know what it would have taken (besides $200) to have installed an Intellipower module in those cases.

The Vector charger (I use a bigger one than Gina) works fine for me and I have used it to charge or start numerous other batteries. YMMV!
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I withdraw everything I said. I thought Scamp used the Magnetek converter/charger, guess I was wrong. Who makes the standalone converter?

Are you aware that Black & Decker bought Vector? I bought a Vector charger and it will not charge small batteries like the one in my mower (12AH), trimmer (10AH) or quad (24AH) - all are 12 volt. I don't know how it knows, but it won't do anything with a small battery.
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Old 07-03-2007, 07:53 PM   #16
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...Are you aware that Black & Decker bought Vector?
I assumed that the company which owns the Black & Decker name was getting products carrying that brand from Vector... but that was just a guess. In any event, it has made for a lot more prominent advertising of the Vector products.

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...I bought a Vector charger and it will not charge small batteries like the one in my mower (12AH), trimmer (10AH) or quad (24AH) - all are 12 volt. I don't know how it knows, but it won't do anything with a small battery.
If the battery will not accept some minimum current, the Vector charger will stop charging and announce an open-cell fault condition. The battery size determines the current accepted at a given charging voltage; perhaps even the 2 amp setting is too high for these small batteries? I suspect that any intelligent charger could have the same issue; a small "maintainer" type of charger (but still one with three-stage charging and good float operation) might be a better match than something like the 2/6/12 amp Vector I have. My small Schumacher (branded for Canadian Tire) charger/maintainer works fine on the little battery in my lawn tractor.
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:44 PM   #17
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I ripped the converter and distribution panel out of the Fiberstream right after I got it home.
It was just a transformer and battery cooker anyway and hummed and boiled the battery if it was on.
The Progressive Dynamics unit in my Fiber Stream is an integrated unit, which gives me pause. It's not humming; but there is a 6 volt AC harmonic (for lack of a more accurate description) riding on my 12 volt DC output. I would like to upgrade like SUZ has, but I'm fretting over having to replace the AC circuit breakers and the DC fuse panel as well.
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I am fairly certain that Vector is just an OEM manufacturer for Black and Decker as they do manufactur for several others as well.

I use these Vector or B&D chargers on small batteries all the time. They will charge them for me without much trouble at all. I would suspect maybe either the battery has some problem or you may not be giving them enough time to be analyzed by the charger before it starts.
I ave witnessed up to a 10 minute delay while the charger "Thinks" about what to do.

I keep several smaller batteries ready for Amateur radio emergency use and they make a 1/2 amp charger sold at Wall World as a B&D for under $20.00.
Like Gina said they will keep a trailer house battery topped off nicely too.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:32 AM   #19
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I am fairly certain that Vector is just an OEM manufacturer for Black and Decker as they do manufactur for several others as well.

I use these Vector or B&D chargers on small batteries all the time. They will charge them for me without much trouble at all. I would suspect maybe either the battery has some problem or you may not be giving them enough time to be analyzed by the charger before it starts.
I ave witnessed up to a 10 minute delay while the charger "Thinks" about what to do.

I keep several smaller batteries ready for Amateur radio emergency use and they make a 1/2 amp charger sold at Wall World as a B&D for under $20.00.
Like Gina said they will keep a trailer house battery topped off nicely too.
See this link: B&D Acquires Vector...
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The Progressive Dynamics unit in my Fiber Stream is an integrated unit, which gives me pause. It's not humming; but there is a 6 volt AC harmonic (for lack of a more accurate description) riding on my 12 volt DC output. I would like to upgrade like SUZ has, but I'm fretting over having to replace the AC circuit breakers and the DC fuse panel as well.
I feel your pain Fred.
I had a Progressive in mine also.
It has the breakers and "Charger" and distribution al intergrated as you said.
I really did not like it in there so I built a new system from scratch. It would be simpler I think to replace it with a new unit as you suggest but in my case I am not that impressed with any of the available intergrated converter/chargers anyway so I put it together from parts.

I am about to tie it together with Solar as soon as I have time,I have all the parts sitting there at last.

The new system I have works well,is quiet and handles the batteries as they should be.
It is an easy matter to replace the breakers and the distribution also.
I had a difficult time even seeing the fuses before not to mention changing them abd I did not truct the breakers. Iinstalled the panel and breakers in the existing hole and the charger behind them.
I installed battery cut-off swithces on the other side of the trailer right where I have the battery banks so now when I turn the battery feeds off I know they are off for sure!

I will try to post all of this with pictures soon.

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See this link: B&D Acquires Vector...
Like I said.....Black and Decker acquires Vector ?

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Morgan, actually, BOTH my old, standalone, one with internal 12VDC fuse panel and one with external panel, converters were Magnateks.

When I hauled the carcass of the last one into an RV dealer repair shop, the counter guy took one glance and said 'We can't get parts for those anymore' to which I replied 'You won't be able to tell the next guy that! Enjoy!', put it on the counter and walked out.

On the first one, I called Magnatek and asked the tech guy about battery charging. He told me I would be a lot happier if I got a real battery charger (and that was before the current intelligent chargers).

Re the Vector, the ideal battery charging arsenal would include a large one with jumpstarting capabilities and a small, smart, 'maintenance' charger for the small batteries and for long-term storage. I have helped wire in the latter kind on a friend's boat and for his Jaguar (Sir Henry Lucas, aka the Prince of Darkness, equipped it with a computer that drains the starting battery during more than a few weeks storage).
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Like I said.....Black and Decker acquires Vector ?

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Somehow I missed that, Ed. I thought you said that Vector is just an OEM manufacturer for Black and Decker.
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Old 07-05-2007, 10:51 PM   #24
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I lost my 12v converter in my 05 Scamp 5vr. The last few weeks before it went out, while plugged into shore power the 12v lights were pulsing(bright-dim-bright-dim) and finally last Sunday the 12v system went out completely. I do not get the pulse affect while running on battery only and all 12v items work good wile on battery. Scamp wants $160 for the unit(American Enterprises CS2000XL), the manufacturer sells them direct for $95 so I bought one off Ebay brand new for $58 total including shipping. Oh and by the way, I was trying to figure out why Scamp wants so much for the converter so I called them and asked if it came with the circuit breakers and sure enough it didn't.
I received the new converter today and it did seem new although it must have been sitting around in a warehouse for a while because it had a 9/03 manufacturer date. I replaced it this evening and everything seems to be good, although I have not yet checked all the 12v devices it runs.

I think Pete has an excellent idea just adding a 12v charger/maintainer of some kind tied into the existing 12v backbone. I believe that is what I will do if I loose another converter.


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Old 07-06-2007, 12:42 AM   #25
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Are you aware that Black & Decker bought Vector? I bought a Vector charger and it will not charge small batteries like the one in my mower (12AH), trimmer (10AH) or quad (24AH) - all are 12 volt. I don't know how it knows, but it won't do anything with a small battery.
Yes, and my Vector Smart Charger (about a 25 amp charger w. 75 amp boost feature) won't charge a dead battery. If the battery is stone dead, it flashes a battery fault code so you cannot cause damage.

That limits the usefulness of the charger in my mind, though in theroy one shouldn't completely deplete a battery (on purpose anyway).

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Old 07-06-2007, 07:35 AM   #26
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BLMcClur - That is exactly what mine did at the end of last year. Several of us were sitting at night around a campfire and noticed the porchlight on the outside of my camper was pulsing. We were not sure what was happening, checked out the electrically supply at the campsite and it was okay and the battery was charged so I didn't think too much about it. Put the camper away for the winter and now for the first trip of the season no converter.

Last night we got the front of the converter taken off but after discussing my options I believe we are just going to put it back together and add a charger to the battery. It just make more sense than replacing it. It sounds like maybe this particular converter is not quite up to snuff and I do not want to put another one it and have the same issue.

Thanks for speaking up about your experience. It makes my decision easier.

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If the battery is stone dead, it flashes a battery fault code so you cannot cause damage.
I suggest trying it a few times. Each attempt pushes some charge into the battery, and it may eventually be enough to continue... it has worked that way at least once for me. You can also start the charging with a manual (or simple automatic) charger (or a solar panel), then complete it properly with the smart charger.
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I would guess that if the battery voltage is too low, the Vector thinks either there's no battery there or the battery is defective. If repeated restarts don't put in enough charge to get past this condition, run some jumper cables (or even some lighter wire might work for this purpose) between the tow vehicle and trailer batteries so the Vector can sense some voltage and start doing its thing. Might even be able to use a small 9V battery for this purpose.
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